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Post Fri May 18, 2012 6:45 am

Backtrack Quiz

Hi guys.
i have 3 different questions about backtrack and i hope specialists here can help me, first of all i want to say thank you so much to those people who helped me in previous topic.

1- As you know backtrack releases the r2 version of backtrack 5 and i wanna download it but i dont know what to choose between the KDE version or gnome version i wanna use it for wireless pentest and for metasploit.

2- Backtrack has a program named wine which can run windows programs in linux firstly i wanna know can we use a program like this in ubuntu? second if that wine can run windows programs, properly it can run windows malwares too, so is any AV needed for that?

3- i know linux based OS like Backtrack or blackbuntu are amazing for pentest. but as you know, there are many good pentest tools on the internet which is designed for windows. i wanna know your opinion about creating a windows based OS for Pentest u think is it a good project for research?

ok i know my quiz includes many different issues. but i really need to know them specially question 1 and 3.

Thank you sooooooooooo much
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Post Fri May 18, 2012 7:30 am

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1. Download both and see which you prefer. The type of GUI isn't going to affect what you're trying to do.

2a. WINE is not specific to BackTrack and is compatible with other Linux distributions, such as Ubuntu.

2b. It will depend on the program. WINE can do semi-recent versions of Photoshop, games, etc., so it's functionality is fairly robust. There's really no way to know unless you try. I'm guessing you'd have a lot of problems with things like malware that are dependent upon the actual OS, not just Windows libraries.

3. What's the point of a distribution if you can't (legally) distribute it? Linux has risen to popularity because of their licensing model. If you want to do something like that, it would probably be more realistic to write an application that manages (installs, updates, etc.) tools in a Windows environment. I recall seeing something like this, maybe from FoundStone or SensePost, but I can't think of the name at the moment.
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Post Fri May 18, 2012 9:08 am

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Hi ajohnson.

firstly i cant download the both, that why i asked because of my internet bandwidth and i have a little GUI problem with Backtrack 5 R1 KDE (I can run it properly but some of objects are not in the right place)
and besides i can run Ubuntu 11:04 pretty well (As you know it uses Gnome too)

2- if u think its better to test wine ok, i'll test it in my virtual lab then tell the result in this topic my opinion is it cant run windows malwares. i have no problem with malwares, im writing a book about client security malwares and so on i just interested.

3- i dont want to distribute it or do any illegal work. i just want to research about a windows OS which is designed for pentest, think about a live cd of windows with completely customized platform and  when you boot with it, you can use many of free tools which is developed for pentest and so on, just tell me your Opinion is it a good subject for research or not?

thank you for your help
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Post Sun May 20, 2012 6:26 am

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Any Ideas? i really need to know about the third one please
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Post Sun May 20, 2012 8:28 am

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1. Then use Gnome if you think you'll have problems with KDE. Unless you have a strong preference for the interface and/or some of the ancillary apps in a particular desktop environment, it really doesn't matter.

2. I don't think it's better to use WINE for malware analysis. I don't have much experience in this area, but it seems like you'd have a lot of problems.

3. Honestly, I don't see much value in this. Others might though; that's just me.
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Post Sun May 20, 2012 8:49 am

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Ok ajohnson

No as i siad i have no problem with malwares and so on. i just interested Bcoz as u know linux is a secure OS about malware
then if that wine can run malwares i think it will be a security hole
Thats all

i know many of experts dosent like to use windows as Pentest OS but i wanna know why? whats the problem with that??
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Post Sun May 20, 2012 9:49 am

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First off, the Linux is a secure OS, is a flawed agrument. The same one that Apple used to make. More so about being a non-secure OS when it comes to Back Track.

When someone asked about running backtrack as the OS at a con, here is the response.

“BT is not meant to be secure, its a "security" distro NOT a "secure" distro” - Pure_Hate
2012-03-22 11:45 #isdpodcast on freenode

Wine emulates the environment for windows to run, it is no more a security hole than say MAME.

All Backtrack is, is a distro collecting a majority of Security tools needed for Pentesting into one place. You could do everything backtrack does with any other distro on the internet, as long as you were willing to spend the time making the tools work.
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Post Tue May 22, 2012 9:19 am

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As far as a "Windows" Security OS, well a good pen tester will have the right tools for the right job.  A potential client may not allow you to run a linux machine on their network so you will need to have the ability to switch between OSes.  Some jobs may require specific tools available to Mac OS.  You never know until you decide what the project scope will be and what you will need to do the testing.  Most of the major discovery apps are available for all platforms (nmap, wireshark, burp etc...).  Backtrack is a great distro but not always meant to be your only tool available.  Its main advantage is also a disadvantage.  It provides a crap load of tools for various types of tasks.  A beginner could get lost in the selections of tools.  It is a great way to test tools to see which ones will fit, at that point you can build a base linux/windows system and add the tools when you need them (but not at the job). 

A good example, a Web Application tester may not use the same tools as someone specializing in Wireless Network testing and vice versa.
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Post Tue May 22, 2012 1:18 pm

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Yes 3xban you are right. but for example i never used windows platform for Wireless Pentest but i think we can find many good tools for windows.
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Post Wed May 23, 2012 9:17 am

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A good resource to check out is sectools.org, they have a pretty extensive list of tools along with platforms supported.  You could essentially get a Windows system and then load it up with the prefered tools. 
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Post Wed May 23, 2012 3:00 pm

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Ok 3xban and thank but tell me honestly Do you think its a good subject for research? To create a windows Based OS onlyfor pentest?
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