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Post Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:45 pm

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The only thing I can think of is that he made a negative comment about where I got my BA from and I think this is the real reason why.  Blaming it on my personality was just a scapegoat maybe.  Other than that I can't think of anything else.  The interview went good.
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Where is your degree from?
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Post Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:14 am

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I'll go ahead and say it again...certifications will land you an interview, experience will land the job, all other things being equal.
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Joshsevo wrote:The only thing I can think of is that he made a negative comment about where I got my BA from and I think this is the real reason why.  Blaming it on my personality was just a scapegoat maybe.  Other than that I can't think of anything else.  The interview went good.


Yeah I had an interview like that once. I aced the technical interview(s) and they were talking salary and when could I start, etc. Then after the last "soft-skills" interview at customer site, they said their environment was too "dot-com"like and that my personality was too structured to work out well there given my history in largely state and local govt work. They were probably right, everyone was wearing jeans (some were cut-offs), t-shirts and sandals, and I found myself questioning whether it was a work environment or a beach party. Many employers do culture fit interviews and it may be something as simple as that.
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Post Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:46 pm

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tturner,

My new job is like that. They wear whatever they want and I was taken back by it for the 1st week. I've only worked at large corporations before that and they all had strict or at least some type of dress code. Once I started at this small business, I tried dressing up the first couple of days...then I realized what the hell am I doing...jeans and t-shirt..HELL YEAH
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You're going to laght but I work in an IT company and I HAVE TO WEAR UNIFORM >:(
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impelse wrote:You're going to laght but I work in an IT company and I HAVE TO WEAR UNIFORM >:(


I worked in a NOC and had to wear a full suit (Jacket, vest, tie, slacks, polished shoes) on the 11pm to 7am weekend shift.
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Post Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:13 am

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damn thats rough!
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Post Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:22 pm

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hell_razor wrote:I'll go ahead and say it again...certifications will land you an interview, experience will land the job, all other things being equal.


I have to agree with this 100%. I have seen many guys come in with certs and they are easily passed onward for the interview, and fail miserably when the tech talk starts. I have also known others, myself included once upon a time, that could not even get a call back until the resume was overflowing with certifications. Now, I have become a certification monkey! I love studying for them and taking the tests. I have become addicted and my wife is very supportive of this addiction. She is probably thinking there could be much more worse ones for me to get involved in.

On as side note, as consultants with our firm, we all were full suits, shirt and tie at the very minimum. I think it is a proper way for us to be dressed for what we do.
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I can see consultants wearing suits or dressing up more than the random employee.

I wish my girlfriend was supportive of me being a cert monkey. ???
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A full suit at a NOC....on the night shift at that? That's ridiculous....
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Post Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:41 pm

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A full suit?!  Damn, I couldn't do that.  I just can't think straight and do my job well if I'm not comfortable.  Luckily, they let us wear anything we like (within reason) where I work now.  I tend to get a lot more work done and be more productive in jeans/t-shirt then full suit.
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dynamik wrote:
Hang in there. I spent six years working my ass off trying to get into security; it didn't just happen. I started off by taking over the IT responsibilities of a company of five people (it wasn't my primary responsibility), moved to a company of about 30 people, and then went to a managed services provider before I finally got a full-time security position. You need to start wherever you can get your foot in the door and work your way into what you want from there. 


This is the best path to get into a full time security position. Take over, and the job will come ...
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p0et wrote:A full suit?!  Damn, I couldn't do that.  I just can't think straight and do my job well if I'm not comfortable.  Luckily, they let us wear anything we like (within reason) where I work now.  I tend to get a lot more work done and be more productive in jeans/t-shirt then full suit.


Suddenly I have an image of Casual Friday from Man in the Box.

My last job was great, summer time was extra casual.  Shorts, t-shirts, sneakers.  During the regular year we had many jeans weeks for charity of course.  Fridays were always casual/jeans.  Day after a snow day was casual.  I miss that, I am in a mixed environment now but I am typically slacks and button-ups.  I don't mind that so much, if I will be working with clients I will typically be in a tie and/or sports jacket, sadly I need more of the jackets.  I don't bust out the full suit except for weddings and interviews, I don't like getting it dirty :D

I am still shocked when my recruiters remind me to wear a suit and tie when going for interviews.  I look at them like "duh" but they have told me that they had recruits going in wearing jeans and such.  Shocking how people don't know how to dress for success.  I heard wise words once "Dress for the job you want, not for the job you have." 
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