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Post Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:05 am

So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

we have all read the news lately, and we all have heard about Lulzsec and their escapades. We all know the opinion of the media and of the targeted companies. We know the opinion of Lulzsec (4 the lulz :P), but what do you think of this?

i personally as a white-hat i don't agree with their actions (ofcourse), but i see it as a revolution in the security world. Never before has a team of hackers been this open about hacks and clearly they really did think this through.

Whats your opinion???
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Post Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:06 am

Re: So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

In their latest "press release" they seem to be expecting to be caught eventually and they really don't care.  I wonder if they can really speak for the whole when they say that?  Hm.

That is a good point about them being open about their hacks, which normal people don't typically hear about.  My guess is in the underground the hacks are just as sensationalized, though I could be wrong.

The culture of Lulzsec saddens me because I feel it is a culture of people who have lots of potential that can't make proper use of it, and they need to express their frustration in a kind of cynical, fatalistic activism.  Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I believe anyone with the kind of dedication, expertise and innovation it takes to do these hacks can really make a good life using their talents legally (and morally for that matter).
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Post Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:35 am

Re: So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

While their adventures on the high seas are illegal, I like Patrick Gray's article Why we secretly love LulzSec:

So why do we like LulzSec?

"I told you so."

That's why.


They're finally able to open upper management's eyes as to how insecure everything really is.  They're able to do what infosec pro's have been unable to do (not due to lack of ability, but due to management's lack of caring).

It's mixed feelings really.  'Illegal...but thank you!' *shrug*
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Post Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:02 am

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***Disclaimers about how LulzSec is doing illegal things and they are bad people, etc., etc., etc.***

On one hand I do see it as a revolution. High profile attacks give us (white hat professionals) backing when we make claims that security is not just a cost center but a worthwhile and necessary investment.

On the other hand, average Joe's (including the media and Executives) don't understand these attacks. It's hard to find stories in mainstream outlets that explain the attacks adequately. If there is one thing that scares people, it is the unknown. These attacks take place in a realm that might as well be supernatural as far as an average person is concerned. This type of fear can lead to unnecessary and far reaching efforts to crack down on internet activity. And that is almost as scary as steady string of high-profile attacks.

IMHO of course.  ;)
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:44 am

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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:41 am

Re: So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

Maybe not j0rdy:

Twitter update: LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Seems the glorious leader of LulzSec got arrested, it's all over now... wait... we're all still here! Which poor b*stard did they take down?
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Data_Raid wrote:Maybe not j0rdy:

Twitter update: LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Seems the glorious leader of LulzSec got arrested, it's all over now... wait... we're all still here! Which poor b*stard did they take down?



Did seem a little too easy or fast.  But they do have every organization chasing them.  We will see I guess, who they really have.
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:29 am

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I'm sure they'll be busting folks for a bit, yet.  Even if they get the leader, you KNOW others will chime in, to make it look like nothing happened, or to 'assume' a lead role.  Give the authorities some time.  They're not done busting, yet...
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:12 pm

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I am glad to see movement against these guys. My only hope is that the authorities can differentiate punishment between leaders and high-school or college kids that think installing LOIC on there personal computers makes them hackers. Should they be punished? Absolutely. Should it ruin the rest of their lives? Absolutely not.
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:50 pm

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I don't really agree what they have done is right but I also wonder if any of there members read these forums?
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:29 pm

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For this sticky situation, My possition would have to be as follows. I agree with the release of information they got from their hacks, HOWEVER I think they should have contacted said companies and informed them of the vulnerabilities without taking the information and posting peoples usernames and passwords online for griefing childish people to get their hands on and use however they please. What they are doing is illegal and as such they should be punished for their crimes, that's assuming they can be tracked down and arrested. I also feel that the LOIC that Anon has used so much is not a hacker tool, since from the information i could find on it tells me it's just for disrupting internet connections. Anyways that's my 2 cents.
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Post Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:53 pm

Re: So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

Hacking is still hacking whatever word you will say it.  Its still not ethical and what they're doing is not that good.  Wish it was true that they're after Lulz for what they did.  Goodluck and keep us posted on their latest escapade. ;)
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Post Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:45 am

Re: So, whats your opinion about Lulzsec???

Data_Raid wrote:Maybe not j0rdy:

Twitter update: LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Seems the glorious leader of LulzSec got arrested, it's all over now... wait... we're all still here! Which poor b*stard did they take down?



maybe, maybe not ;):

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Post Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:58 am

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Lulz is denying that he is the leader. They said the only way he was affiliated with them was that he hosted one of their public/legitimate IRC servers. Who knows what the real story is.

They're way to chatty not to get caught. They'll make a mistake at some point.
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Post Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:13 am

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tattoo85 wrote:Hacking is still hacking whatever word you will say it.  Its still not ethical and what they're doing is not that good.


Well, I don't fully agree with your statement, above.  In the context of malicious 'hackers / hacking' I'd agree that it's illegal and unethical.  However, the term hacker did NOT originate as an evildoer, nor hacking as an evil practice.  In fact, looking up "hack" on http://dictionary.reference.com, yields the following definition:

Computers . to devise or modify (a computer program), usually skillfully.

That does NOT imply wrongdoing, nor does it imply a lack of ethics.  The original hackers were those who modified even their OWN code, to do things differently, etc.

This goes back to the debate over using the term "ethical hacker" versus "penetration tester"  If used in the correct context, either term is valid, but I tend to prefer to use Penetration Tester, so as to remove doubt.

Edit: But in the context of Lulz, etc, I'd agree... unethical
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