V... wrote:Sorry all, I must have stumbled on the wrong forum. I thought this was a community forum for those in the security industry.
Yawn. What you stumbled upon is a forum for those in the security industry who are "up and comers" and are learning and sharing information to make themselves stronger professionally, not solely to pass an exam. There is a difference. Most here share information about their experiences so that other peers (normally their juniors) can understand security as a practice not a thesis slash theory.
V... wrote:Certification is a necessary evil in our industry, I think that education and good practical experience is the key in moulding a successful professional, not the answering of a number of random questions on a given subject.
Then why bother taking an exam? Certifications have become bastardized because of far too many people memorizing books, taking exams, slapping a professional title behind their name while not understand an iota of a subject. This is what is synonymous behind the types of answers you will receive when using words like: "brain dumps" to others who dedicate time out of their lives to become true security professionals as opposed to "professional test takers."
V... wrote:I think we all know that someone who has no knowledge and has just memorised a number of answers isn't going to be best prepared when faced with whatever task they have to do.
Again I ask, then why bother with the brain dumps? In your previous post, you state:
V... wrote:I've been pressing along with both and starting to score in the low 80's with testking. I've also worked through the study guide more than once and can answer the vast majority of the review questions...however, I tried the "Bonus Exams" of which there are 2 - contained on the CD.
I can't even muster a 60% with these.
Then the answer and solution is simple, you need to go back and understand slash study the content you're failing on. 60% is really and personally, I wouldn't aim to take any test unless I can average above 95% through at least 5 practice exams or better. This to me states that I understand the core of it while am likely failing at little tidbits like verbiage. The reality for me is, the 5% of the questions I do fail at are not because I AM wrong, but because I view security differently and could have likely written a better question. Not being arrogant, just being truthful.
V... wrote:Could any mods please advise if my question by its nature is against forum rules etc, as I said in my first post, I'm new to the forum. If braindumping is a taboo subject then I'll desist on posting in this thread.
Braindumping is and will forever be taboo to professionals. You need to think outside of the box so here goes an analogy... "An intern is failing with an average of 60% throughout his or her tests. In an effort to hurry their life/career, they shoot to memorize every imaginable concept/term/idea/theory in order to pass 'that one exam.' After trolling slash searching for answers, they come across the 'gold' they'd been searching for. They take the test, smoke the exam, after all they did memorize everything they could. They're now a doctor - after all, what do you call a doctor who comes in last in their class... a doctor."
Would you want this to be your doctor? Do things like malpractice, etc., come into play? Do you think this would be an effective doctor or a prescription factory doctor who will simply tell you: "Take two of these...", "didn't work? Try two of these then..."
Same holds true for security. Many of us on this forum love and respect the industry we're in. Many of us loathe people for taking "the easy way out." We loathe it because it creates a devaluation of our profession, what many have worked hard to accomplish slash achieve: A piece of paper that states: "We know what we're doing" at least that is what a certification USED to mean. Nowadays because of braindumping, we see "professionals" via way of a title with zero knowledge and or experience. That paper, was only made possible because of moronic brain dumps.
Moderator? Me? Not one, but I think you will find that out of anyone else here, I will call it how I see it without the BS. I am also probably one of the top 10 experienced professionals here with or without a certification. Suggestion... Learn it the right way without the use of braindumping. Otherwise, you're cheating and lying to yourself, your potential employer and other professionals who hold the cert you're aiming to pass.