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Post Mon May 31, 2010 10:58 pm

Google Dropping Windows For Internal Use

Even prior to their brush with hackers from China late last year Google had a policy of moving users on to Google products where possible. The incidents accelerated the process. The story quotes Google employees to the effect that Windows systems are distrusted by definition at the company.

Something feels exaggerated in the story to me. First, from all indications we have in published reports, the system compromised at Google wasn't just a Windows system, but a Windows XP system running Internet Explorer 6 and logged in as Administrator. In other words, it was a system on which no serious effort at security was made. Banning all Windows systems because of this is surely an irrational overreaction.


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Post Mon May 31, 2010 11:03 pm

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I was just reading this article and thinking about the same thing.
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Post Mon May 31, 2010 11:42 pm

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I'm with you guys.  I think this is sensationalist journalism at its best (or at least as good as it gets when it comes to technical topics).  I strongly suspect the original article uses selective quoting quite liberally (where they only publish quotes from sources that support the article without acknowledging competing viewpoints).  Bad journalism.
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Post Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:31 am

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I can understand Google gradually moving to Chrome, but yeah there doesn't need to be a big story about it.

"Google would not comment on their current policy."

Makes me wonder what else is Google playing politics.
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Post Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:03 am

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Google's response is somewhat exaggerated. They could've prevented the attack had they properly patched their systems and trained their employees. Much better option would be to move to Windows 7. Even in a company as big as Google not every employee would know how to use Linux. Though, I'm pretty sure employees won't stop grinning if it's replaced by Mac.
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Post Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:56 pm

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I heard that they also have "Goobuntu" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu

which they use internally. If it's similar to Ubuntu, I believe that average computer use in a work force can handle it. Firefox, and custom applications should be just as simple as click and launch. The desktop interface is similar to windows and shouldn't be much more difficult to navigate.

I personally admire the huge switch. Competition is healthy I believe. The only  problem I see is the cost of linux administration. Windows licensing can be expensive, but finding linux administrators are much more expensive than windows I believe from what I've read on job posting websites.
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secureseven wrote:I heard that they also have "Goobuntu" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu

which they use internally. If it's similar to Ubuntu, I believe that average computer use in a work force can handle it. Firefox, and custom applications should be just as simple as click and launch. The desktop interface is similar to windows and shouldn't be much more difficult to navigate.

I personally admire the huge switch. Competition is healthy I believe. The only  problem I see is the cost of linux administration. Windows licensing can be cheap, but finding linux administrators are much more expensive than windows I believe from what I've read on job posting websites.


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I'm a Linux guy, myself (having very few Windows machines left in my home or office, aside of testing, and some things for my kids,) but am neither here nor there on this one. 

For one, Google is used by billions of people, a large piece of whom run Windows, so to have NONE kind of defeats interface testing, etc, IMHO.  However, I also understand Google's pain.  Recall, too, where their CEO (Eric Schmidt) came from, in his last endeavor...  They're now primarily a Linux shop, as well, being as how they own SuSE (Novell,) even though that came about after he left.  And Schmidt has long been an open-source proponent, so I'm not surprised by this decision, as it falls in line with his past decisions and plans.

Do I think it's an over the top decision, based solely on the current dilemma that brought it about?  ...perhaps.  But it's the decision they chose to make, and they'll have to work out the logistics and make it business-capable, whether it's Linux, Mac, or the combination of the two.  Do I think they can do it? ...most definitely.  I have been in developer forums and conferences with many of Google's folks, and the mindsets and abilities are there, to easily transition them.  If given a good GUI environment, with proper tools, even their less 'tech-savvy' folks will be able to get past this choice, and be very productive, in the long run.

So I think, in the long run, it will be a good move for them.  At the very LEAST, it's going to save them some substantial capital $$$$.
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Post Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:37 pm

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A co-worker pointed out (after he came down to tell me about seeing it in his rss feed).

To a point it makes sense. Google is directly competing with Microsoft in a couple of areas. Browser, Documentation Sweets, instant messenger, email, and search. Why would they want to pay they're competitor?
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Post Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:25 am

Re: Google Dropping Windows For Internal Use

An update on the issue

Microsoft publicly defended Windows in the face of unconfirmed reports that Google was shunning the operating system due to security concerns.

Google declined to respond to an AFP inquiry, saying only: "As a rule, we don't comment on operational matters."

Microsoft, however, felt that stories published in the Financial Times and elsewhere warranted a fast, firm rebuttal.


Microsoft defends windows security
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