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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:43 pm

Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Well I wasn't sure on where to ask this question, bu I thought here would be the best place for it to go.

I will be started Northumbria University in September to study Ethical Hacking for computer security.

I was basically just wondering if you had any book lists etc for a complete beginner, I like to be top of my classes, and by reading before I hope to be more knowledgeable than most.

Thanks.
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:48 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Try the books referenced in this post.  They are definitely a great start:

http://www.ethicalhacker.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,54/topic,4171.msg19745/#msg19745
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:52 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Brilliant, Thank you very much. Hopefully going to stick around and learn some new things.
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:56 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

We definitely hope that you stick around and share what you learn with us.  I am really glad that schools are starting to offer programs in Pen Testing and Ethical Hacking.  It's refreshing to know that people are thinking about security.
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:10 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Wasn't something I knew about until my girlfriend turned round to me and said "Can't believe you are not going to University, I was reading about a Ethical Hacker course, why aren't you signing up to that"

I tell you if I had known that it was available, I wouldn't have even thought of not going.

so:

Counterhack Reloaded
Grey Hat Hacking
Hacking Exposed 6

anything else???
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:07 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Hacking, the Art of Exploitation (this is a bit advanced in terms of ASM and C knowledge, but should be quite readable).
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:09 pm

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Hi tmAc,

Have you seen this site? http://samsclass.info/

If you have a look at some of the old classes, there are lecture notes and also projects that were assigned for homework to the students (http://samsclass.info/123/123_F09.shtml - you need to scroll to the bottom for the projects). Hopefully this will help with the stuff that you'll be doing at uni, there are also book recommendations on the site but most have been mentioned here already.
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Post Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:11 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Thank you very much again. Is there any particuar order you recommend reading these in, as this will literally be the first I am reading into this subject.
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Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Counter Hack Reloaded is probably a very good starting point.  It's a little old, but it has a very thorough introduction to the technology you will be involved in as well as the related security concepts.

I would read Gray Hat Hacking next. 

I haven't read Hacking Exposed.  Perhaps someone else can chime in. 

Hacking, The Art of Exploitation would be the last to read, in my opinion. 
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Post Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:22 am

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Depending on your knowledge so far you may consider to read some more basic books before, e.g. about a specific programming language if you can't program at the moment. I am pretty sure that you will learn a few languages in school so this would surely help. Also I would read books on networking basics as those are essential in the field of hacking as well as books about cryptography.

Too bad that no such schools are available around my place. Would love to get my hands on materials you will get there or take a glance at them.
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Post Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:15 pm

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

If you suggest a programming language that is cool, which on would be the best to learn first. i am fluent in HTML, I know that isnt a language, but just to let you know what I do know.

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Year 1 Modules

CG0181 Learning and Skills in Computing (CORE, 10 Credits)

CM0075 Computer Systems Fundamentals (CORE, 10 Credits)

CM0429 Relational Databases (CORE, 20 Credits)

CM0431 Introduction to Computer Crime Investigation (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0156 Network Technology 1 (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0402 Programming Fundamentals with Robots (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0403 Introduction to Ethical Hacking (CORE, 20 Credits)
Year 2 Modules

CM0541 Principles of Computer Forensics (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0252 Introduction to Modern Communication Systems (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0256 Network Technology 2 (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0273 Programming in C (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0561 Principles of Ethical Hacking (CORE, 20 Credits)

IS0503 Integrative Consultancy Project (CORE, 20 Credits)
Year 3 Modules

CM0567 CEIS Professional Placement (CORE, 0 Credits)
Year 4 Modules

CM0634 Legal and Evidentiary Aspects of Computer Forensics (CORE, 10 Credits)

CM0645 Individual Project (CORE, 40 Credits)

CM0648 Professionalism & Ethical Practice (CORE, 10 Credits)

EN0308 Network Technology 3 (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0365 Ethical Hacking for Network Security (CORE, 20 Credits)

EN0369 Principles of wireless computer networks (CORE, 10 Credits)

EN0603 Social Engineering (CORE, 10 Credits)


these are the modules for my uni course
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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:28 am

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

Those courses sounds really interesting.

I would say it doesn't matter that much which programming language you learn first, as once you understand the concepts behind it, it is just a relearning of syntax but not of understanding.
If you mean it I would start right with C as you will probably learn it at uni too, although some may say it is not a beginners-friendly language. I would say it depends..I know people who started with asm (which I highly recommend to learn too!) and hadn't any problems with it.

Easy ones would be Python, which is more like a scripting language, Visual Basic, .NET ones, Delphi etc.

But again, once you understand the concepts, it is not a big deal to learn another language. ;)
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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:58 am

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

I know that we learn c++ at uni, but looking at a few books it is very difficult for me to get my head round. So I am looking for a language which is similar but a lot easier which can get me into the basics of programming then swap over to c++. Thank you all for your help so far!
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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:42 am

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

"Similar" ones would be php and java. If C is too hard for you yet I would go with something like python or visual basic. As I said, once you understood the concept it shouldn't be a big deal to switch.
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Post Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:05 am

Re: Just wanting a bit of advise here:

tmAc,

I'd check the module listings to check which languages are used in your modules (listing) as these will be the most immediate help for your course.

Few years since I went through UNN (Ethical Hacker course not available when enrolled), but Java and C were the primary languages studied at the time. Additionally, I know at least one EH-Netter currently on the course, he might pop-up with first hand advice :)

Good luck with your studies.
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