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Sans Disappoints !!!!!

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Dark_Knight

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Post Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:43 pm

Sans Disappoints !!!!!

Having read all the great reviews about the GPEN 560 I decided to go ahead and sign up(or attempt to). However I am not impressed with Sans and their Customer Service or whatever you call it so far.

Responses to queries are slow in coming or none at all. The reps who answer the phone dont seem to know just whats happening. I requested info on the formats of the labs like how they would be accessed etc and the person I spoke to could not give me a definitive answer.

The same rep went on to say that she would send an email with the info I requested. Well that request was made some time ago and I am still waiting. Then I tried changing the address the materials should be shipped to in effort to save on shipping charges and it was almost like pulling teeth.

I expected a lot better from Sans seeing that they are so popular and also that the course is so expensive. Maybe I expected too much but there are Sans man..........know what I mean????

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Post Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:31 pm

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

I have delt with the admin side three different times, two out of three have been great, the other...uh...

Anyway, the training side of things is fantastic. I can pretty much guarantee you won't be disappointed with the training. Where are you taking the class and who is your instructor?
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Dark_Knight

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Post Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:39 pm

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

I am looking into the GPEN 560 OnDemand version. I went through the demos available and was SOLD from there on out.... :)
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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:44 am

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

Dark_Knight:

Sorry to hear of the issues you encountered.  First, I should openly state that I am not a SANS employee, but a contractor.  I am one of the OnDemand Virtual Mentors that provides backend content support to 560 amongst other courses.  I also regularly teach, once a month, for SANS (401, 504, 560, 542)...

Needless to say I am biased towards SANS and have a vested interest in the students/clients being happy.

That being said, I can answer any technical questions you might have regarding the 560 class or the OnDemand delivery.

You mentioned asking about the format of the labs.  One thing I think you will very much appreciate about the OnDemand delivery method of 560 is that you have access to the normal course labs for the entire duration of your course access (4 months).  Should you have any problems, questions, or just want a bit of extra practice with any one exercise you can practice at any time day or night throughout the entire 4 months of access.

You will connect to the lab network via an OpenVPN connection.  There are actually two different lab networks: the first network/connection is used for all labs encountered during days 1-5 of the course; the second is used exclusively for the capture the flag event.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions regarding this course, OnDemand, or anything else.  Sorry again for the sour taste your initial customer service interaction left in your mouth.  If there is anything that I can do to help, please contact me.

Feel free to PM me or email me at first initial + last name @sans.org should you have any additional questions (should be pretty easy to grep given my obscure handle SethMisenar ;) ).  Also, if the questions might benefit others at EH then please feel free to respond to this post with additional questions, though I admit that the frequency with which I monitor these forums seems to wax and wane with how busy my schedule is.

One last note... If you ever have customer service issues with SANS always feel free to email Stephen Northcutt, president of SANS, at stephen@sans.edu.  Do keep in mind that he is incredibly busy and travels throughout the world teaching, but he is always available to ensure that SANS provides quality customer service.

Regards,
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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:54 am

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

You may be able to get your questions answered here in the forum as well - quite a few people around that have taken the course.

Also I had stumbled across several issues or errors while taking the OnDemand course last year. Seth was very helpful in responding and things were taken care of quickly. Thanks Seth!

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Post Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:03 pm

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

Thanks for the replies guys. Much appreciated.
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Post Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:46 am

Re: Sans Disappoints !!!!!

Dark_Knight:

Glad to help. Thanks for the email follow up.  Very glad to hear that everything got worked out.  Look forward to working with you as the you progress through the class.  I expect you will be very pleased from here on out.

Thanks,
Seth misenar
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