Suplementing with samurai skills?

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    • #7914
      Dranex
      Participant

      I’m not too far off diving into the OSCP now (i hope).. I’ve had a few years experience as an IT admin, studied security in uni, have done a LOT of reading and im currently learning python.

      My question is, do you think its worth taking the ninja sec samurai course as a ‘suplement’ to the OSCP? I feel im not far off but im currently still working so dont have a great deal of time (for now) and there are some technical aspects you can only gain from practicals. I also live in the UK so would qualify for the 50% off offer. Is it worth going for it and having more hands on experience before I take on the bigger challenge?

    • #50020
      hayabusa
      Participant

      PM’d you.

    • #50021
      impelse
      Participant

      I would like to see that answer, anybody?

    • #50022
      sunrise1982
      Participant

      me too i would like to see the answer

    • #50023
      DragonGorge
      Participant

      Well heck, now I’m interested too!!!!

    • #50024
      sternone
      Participant

      Me too.

      Answering a public message with a public message that you PM’d is LAME !

      ;D 😉 ;D >:(

    • #50025
      m0wgli
      Participant

      I’m sure hayabusa has his reasons for doing so, and it’s up to him whether or not to make it public.

      However, the impression I’m left with is that “Saying nothing… sometimes says the most.”

    • #50026
      hayabusa
      Participant

      @sternone wrote:

      Me too.

      Answering a public message with a public message that you PM’d is LAME !

      ;D 😉 ;D >:(

      Ahh, and sternone goes on the attack, again…  Sorry if I hit a little too close to home on some remarks, here, but since he obviously asked for it…

      @sternone – You should be shocked that I’m not openly cheering on a course, right?  Oh yeah, I forgot, you think I’m an Offsec employee or something, and am “lame” as a follower of their drivel…  Yet, if anyone’s read my review of Samurai Skills, you / they should have SOME idea, already, as to my answer to the question. posed in this thread.

      Since you so adamantly want to know…

      He asked if it was worth taking as a supplement.  Sure.  ANY class is a good supplement.  The reason I PM’d him was to explain that, while Ninja-sec does have some good info in their course, it’s NOT the same as Offsec’s, and is NOT what I’d consider to be a ‘primer’ for OSCP.  Each has it’s high points, each has it’s low.

      Just ask sternone about low points, he’ll be glad to point out every minute flaw he can find in something, even when he’s OPENLY started a thread with nothing but praise, and only starts ranting when he realizes the challenges and realism that he so blatantly praised Offsec for, in the beginning of the thread, are now frustrating to him…)

      Sorry sternone, but I shoot straight, based on what I see.  What’s the phrase…  ‘Takes one to know one’?    ::)  I saw some responses to some things already, on your thread, else, I might’ve already hit you there.  (Funny how karma bites you in the @$$ sometimes, huh?)

      That said, OSCP is VERY rounded, and challenges you on a lot of areas, while making you think outside the box.  Very little is actually ‘handed to you.’  While I’ve admittedly NOT spent much time in Ninja-sec’s labs, their course spends a lot more time ‘specifically’ guiding you through certain attacks, leading to root access (so MAYBE, if he didn’t like the OSCP lack of ‘specific’ hand-held practice, sternone might’ve felt better in Ninja-sec’s course.  Perhaps his multiple monitors come in more handy for watching instruction and step-by-step stuff, so he can keep up, I dunno…  :P) 

      When I say this, I’m NOT down-talking on Ninja-sec or their course.  Everyone’s teaching and learning styles are different.  Ninja-sec has good information in their course, and I’m glad I am given the opportunity to review for them, as it’s interesting to see different approaches, and to have SOME idea what to recommend to people, depending on their funds, needs and learning styles / abilities.

    • #50027
      hayabusa
      Participant

      PS – sternone…

      I’m sorry, but as the rest of the posters were actually ‘politely’ hinting that they wanted the answers, I didn’t expect to be referred to as LAME, regardless of whether it was in jest.  I respectfully (yet again) offer up the token olive branch of peace, and suggest we put the slams to bed.

      How ’bout it?

    • #50028
      impelse
      Participant

      hayabusa

      We know that, we know the different styles and routes for learning, we just wanted to joke a little about the PM, lol..

      Yes, I read your review and before you mention it I remembered.

    • #50029
      MaXe
      Participant

      @hayabusa wrote:

      PS – sternone…

      I’m sorry, but as the rest of the posters were actually ‘politely’ hinting that they wanted the answers, I didn’t expect to be referred to as LAME, regardless of whether it was in jest.  I respectfully (yet again) offer up the token olive branch of peace, and suggest we put the slams to bed.

      How ’bout it?

      Just look at what happened to the guy that called “Kevin Mitnick” lame in Hackers 2: Operation Takedown  ;D

    • #50030
      sternone
      Participant

      😀

      Look, you are one of the guys here with a lot of knowledge that a lot of guys like me are looking for.

      That’s the quest we are in. That’s what we put all our efforts in, that’s the pain we are feeling every day. That’s what you have been doing to achieve your level.

      When you speak, we listen.

      When we ask, and you answer, we listen.

      Now you can just think about how it sounds when you respond to a public message in public that you sent a PM.

      That’s just lame in my opinion.

      I learned a lot from your answers and your comments and I hope to do so in the future. The difference between me and you is that I think that you give answers to help people, steer them in the right direction, make the quest a little less hard than it was for you. Not because you need affection or self-esteem, like you accused me at me before.

    • #50031
      sternone
      Participant

      @MaXe wrote:

      @hayabusa wrote:

      PS – sternone…

      I’m sorry, but as the rest of the posters were actually ‘politely’ hinting that they wanted the answers, I didn’t expect to be referred to as LAME, regardless of whether it was in jest.  I respectfully (yet again) offer up the token olive branch of peace, and suggest we put the slams to bed.

      How ’bout it?

      Just look at what happened to the guy that called “Kevin Mitnick” lame in Hackers 2: Operation Takedown  ;D

      Please elaborate. What is going to happen with me.

      If you are posting stuff like that, you should stand up and say exactly what you want to say to me.

      What is the meaning of this post. That I need to shut up or watch out ? Watch out for what, for you, for others ? Really ?

      You can answer me in PM if you don’t have the balls to do it in public.

    • #50032
      hayabusa
      Participant

      @sternone wrote:

      😀

      Look, you are one of the guys here with a lot of knowledge that a lot of guys like me are looking for.

      That’s the quest we are in. That’s what we put all our efforts in, that’s the pain we are feeling every day. That’s what you have been doing to achieve your level.

      When you speak, we listen.

      When we ask, and you answer, we listen.

      Now you can just think about how it sounds when you respond to a public message in public that you sent a PM.

      That’s just lame in my opinion.

      I learned a lot from your answers and your comments and I hope to do so in the future. The difference between me and you is that I think that you give answers to help people, steer them in the right direction, make the quest a little less hard than it was for you. Not because you need affection or self-esteem, like you accused me at me before.

      OK.  I THINK this means the ‘olive branch’ was aggreed upon.  Thank you.

      I understand your ‘LAME’ reference, in general, just that, after some of our previous discussions, I didn’t take it as jest.

      As for MaXe’s comments, I wouldn’t fire back so harshly at him, either.  I believe he was just trying to lighten the mood.  Nothing will happen to you, by me, solely over posts on a forum.  No worries.  8)

      Anyway, looking forward to reading about your continued successes in the OSCP thread.  Good luck!

    • #50033
      sternone
      Participant

      As for MaXe’s comments, I wouldn’t fire back so harshly at him, either.  I believe he was just trying to lighten the mood.  Nothing will happen to you, by me, solely over posts on a forum.  No worries.   8)

      Just for the record, I’m not scared at all. If somebody yells at me, sure why not, I like that. But don’t be surprised you get yelled back.

      You hit me, fine, but I hit back, it’s your problem if I hit harder than you do.

    • #50034
      hayabusa
      Participant

      Are you going to stop, now?  This is already going right back to where it began, and is just going to waste thread space and time.  Nobody said you are / were or should be ‘scared.’

      I’m really not concerned with who hits who, how hard, unless it’s totally uncalled for.  Unless someone is intentionally trying to antagonize me, I generally won’t hit, at all, and try to stay out of it.  Please take the same approach.

      Again, the olive branch went out, so acknowledge the gesture, then…

      LET IT GO

    • #50035
      sternone
      Participant

      In war, it’s important to pick your enemies.

      You might pick the wrong one.

    • #50036
      hayabusa
      Participant

      Well then, if I take that as I read it (seems aimed at me, yet again), I’ll withdraw the olive branch.  Seems you just don’t know when (or how) to let go.

      I’m of the belief that everyone deserves a fair shake, until they prove otherwise.  Living in pessimism and fear / concern, especially over who is friend or foe, would be a sad and harsh reality, and I choose positivity (that’s why I TRY to help an provide positive feedback, wherever possible.  So I think I’ll just cut this tie, now, since you’ve obviously already determined that I (and others) are ‘lame’ or are out to get you.

      I wish you well in your futile endeavors at attacking anyone / anything you don’t like, or simply can’t undertand. 

      (Hope you can ‘hit’ as hard as you throw attitude arround.  There are some folks here who won’t hold back as much as I would and have.)

      Sayonara

    • #50037
      hayabusa
      Participant

      Oh, and sternone…

      Maybe you missed it, and I know you weren’t around for my earlier signatures, a while back, but I’m pretty sure I understand the reality, when you actually ARE dealing with a war / enemy mentality.  I’ve been a study of Sun Tsu and other well-known war ‘brains’, for years.  It all applies, very literally, in cyber-warfare and pentesting, just as it does in mental / physical combat.

      Outright attacking those, whom you don’t understand or agree with, is definitely NOT a wise approach.

      I’ll say it again…  MaXe’s post was, I’m certain, intended to lighten the mood in the thread.  But he’s not someone you really want to start an unnecessary battle with, any more than I am. We’re (none of us) not here to battle, anyway.  So…  Again…

      LET IT GO! 

      (I’m done with this discussion now.  If you continue here, it’ll be ignored by me.  If anyone wants to ask a question, still, truly related to the ‘original thread’, my apologies for sidetracking it.  Ask away, here or on PM, and I’ll try to respond.)

    • #50038
      sternone
      Participant

      I don’t agree.

      I reply to things and actions I don’t agree on. If you can’t deal with that, then don’t post on a public forum.

      Go sit in your dark room, look in the mirror, laugh hard and yell ‘I have all the powers!’ and be done with it. That might fix a lot of your issues.

    • #50039
      dynamik
      Participant

      @sternone wrote:

      I reply to things and actions I don’t agree on.

      That is, unfortunately, about all you do. You’ve got one of the highest posts-per-day counts, yet you’re at bottom in terms of posts-to-substance. Aside from your initial enthusiasm, you’ve done very little besides whine or instigate.

      These forums provide a rare opportunity for ethical hacking and infosec novices to interact with experienced professionals (who graciously take time out of their insane schedules to respond). I’m not sure how you haven’t picked up on this by now, but this isn’t a place where people just dump out every empty, unfiltered thought that crosses their minds. I think you’ve confused these forums with Twitter. You’ve single-handedly brought a level of immaturity to these forums that I haven’t seen in the four years I’ve been here.

      @sternone wrote:

      Go sit in your dark room, look in the mirror, laugh hard and yell ‘I have all the powers!’ and be done with it. That might fix a lot of your issues.

      Yes, ignoring his professional experience, numerous years and 1000+ insightful posts here, and reality, I think you nailed it. I can’t believe that you alone were able to quickly decipher this situation while everyone else was fooled for years. You truly are amazing, and it’s a shame you’re going into security and not psychology.

      The thing you don’t seem to understand is that your actions are only hurting yourself. No one is getting upset or offended at your posts, and no one is impressed by the played-out internet bad-ass routine. You’ve only succeeded in burning bridges and removing value for yourself.

      It’s completely fine to disagree and state your opinion in a polite and respectful manner, and this is in fact how great discussions come about. The subtle and not-so-subtle responses you’ve received up until now have truly been attempts to just get you to stop spilling YouTube-quality comments all over the forums.

      Please don’t feel obligated to respond; everyone already knows what you’re going to say, verbatim.

    • #50040
      sternone
      Participant

      I’m not going to ask permission to you masters to respond to something.

      Maybe it’s time that some of you step down from that pedestal you are standing on. Face it, we’re all nerds. End of story.

    • #50041
      Dark_Knight
      Participant

      @ajohnson wrote:

      @sternone wrote:

      I reply to things and actions I don’t agree on.

      That is, unfortunately, about all you do. You’ve got one of the highest posts-per-day counts, yet you’re at bottom in terms of posts-to-substance. Aside from your initial enthusiasm, you’ve done very little besides whine or instigate.

      These forums provide a rare opportunity for ethical hacking and infosec novices to interact with experienced professionals (who graciously take time out of their insane schedules to respond). I’m not sure how you haven’t picked up on this by now, but this isn’t a place where people just dump out every empty, unfiltered thought that crosses their minds. I think you’ve confused these forums with Twitter. You’ve single-handedly brought a level of immaturity to these forums that I haven’t seen in the four years I’ve been here.

      @sternone wrote:

      Go sit in your dark room, look in the mirror, laugh hard and yell ‘I have all the powers!’ and be done with it. That might fix a lot of your issues.

      Yes, ignoring his professional experience, numerous years and 1000+ insightful posts here, and reality, I think you nailed it. I can’t believe that you alone were able to quickly decipher this situation while everyone else was fooled for years. You truly are amazing, and it’s a shame you’re going into security and not psychology.

      The thing you don’t seem to understand is that your actions are only hurting yourself. No one is getting upset or offended at your posts, and no one is impressed by the played-out internet bad-ass routine. You’ve only succeeded in burning bridges and removing value for yourself.

      It’s completely fine to disagree and state your opinion in a polite and respectful manner, and this is in fact how great discussions come about. The subtle and not-so-subtle responses you’ve received up until now have truly been attempts to just get you to stop spilling YouTube-quality comments all over the forums.

      Please don’t feel obligated to respond; everyone already knows what you’re going to say, verbatim.

      + 1 ………..now let’s stop feeding the troll. Nothing to see here folks, keep it moving…

    • #50042
      termight
      Participant

      @sternone:

      From your thread on OSCP, I can deduce you’re http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments#Choleric a choleric kind of person or may be you’re being offensive because you’re taking an Offensive course HAHA  ;D.

      Anyways just concentrate on your course and learn to let things go. If you take an MSc program you learn physiology and anger management along the line. Which is very good cos you’ll never know who you’re getting angry at( maybe someone who is more insane).

      Silence is golden, and remember “the quieter you become, the more loud you’re ale to hear”.

      Peace. 

    • #50043
      sternone
      Participant

      So when is the depression part in life coming up ? I’ve never had it, felt it or wanted it ?

    • #50044
      Don Donzal
      Keymaster

      ENOUGH!

      This is not the type of welcoming and career advancing conversation that has become the hallmark of EH-Net. Here’s how I see it:

      1. If someone wants to reply to a public message with a private one, that is their chouce.
      2. If someone wants to ask for that message to be made public so we all can learn, that is a valid question.
      3. Calling someone lame is valid free speech as well. But what good do you think will come of it?
      4. Sternone – You may not be depressed, but every reaction has a very harsh and negative tone. You can disagree without getting so angry or defensive. That doesn’t mean that anyone is trying to quell your free speech in a public forum.

      I’ll close on this thought for which I recommend everyone ponder: Is it possible that words offered on either side were actually meant to help?

      Think about it for a while.

      This topic is closed.

      Don

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