Home
Calendar
Certifications
Columns
Features
Forum
Resources
Vitals
Latest Additions
April 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - eLearnSecurity
Human Intelligence to Navigate the Security Data Deluge
February 2013 Free Giveaway Winner of SANS CyberCon Training
Interview: Bugcrowd Founders on Herding Ninjas for Crowdsourced Bug Bounties
Network Forensics: The Tree in the Forest
March 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - Mile2
Book Review: Violent Python
February 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - SANS
Holiday 2012 Free Giveaway Winner of Metasploit Pro by Rapid7
Course Review: SANS FOR408 Computer Forensic Investigations – Windows In-Depth
The Security Consulting Sugar High
Tutorial: Fun with SMB on the Command Line
Interview: Ilia Kolochenko, CEO of High-Tech Bridge
October 2012 Free Giveaway Winner of LearningGate Training
The Broken: Assessing Corporate Security in 2012 to Make a Better 2013
EH-Net Login
Welcome Guest.
Username:
Password:
Remember me
Lost Password?
No account yet?
Register
Who's Online
We have 53 guests and 1 member online
You are here:
Home
Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications
General Certification
Security
CEH and other questions
EH-Net
May 21, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email?
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
News
: Go back to The Ethical Hacker Network Online Magazine
Home Page
Home
Help
Calendar
Login
Register
EH-Net
>
Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications
>
General Certification
>
Security
>
CEH and other questions
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
« previous
next »
Print
Author
Topic: CEH and other questions (Read 3964 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
omegaflare
Newbie
Offline
Posts: 2
CEH and other questions
«
on:
May 09, 2012, 10:38:38 PM »
Guys,
I just graduated from RIT with a Bachelor of Science degree in IT (Website Development and Networking).
Now I am focusing on Offensive Warfare as my main specialty. So I want to specialize in Penetration Testing and get licensed. I want to get certified in OSCP, or LPT.
http://www.offensive-security.com/information-security-training/penetration-testing-with-backtrack/
Then eventually I will probably take Cryptography (program viruses) at RIT, and be able to write/program my own exploits via python, perl, and etc.
I really want to register for a course online (I can't do it via live classroom because I have hearing loss and would require an ASL interpreter) so online class would be ideal for me.
So please put me in the right direction and where should I do first? Thanks!
«
Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 10:40:26 PM by omegaflare
»
Logged
unicityd
Full Member
Offline
Posts: 156
Bored IT Manager, Crypto Nerd
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #1 on:
May 10, 2012, 12:33:00 AM »
There are a few recent how-to-get-started threads on here. Take a look around, someone may have already provided the answers you need.
A few notes:
Cryptography is not about programming viruses. Cryptography is about making and breaking codes. If you want to learn about Cryptography, check out Applied Cryptography by Bruce Schneier or Understanding Cryptography by Chrisof Paar and Jan Pelzl.
If you want to know more about viruses, check out Malware by Ed Skoudis and Lenny Zeltser or The Art of Computer Virus Research and Defense by Peter Szor.
If you want to learn about penetration testing, check out the recent threads and/or read Counter Hack by Ed Skoudis or Hacking Exposed by McClure et. al.
Penetration testers are not licensed, at least in the U.S. I haven't heard of it anywhere else either, but...maybe things are different in Myanamar or somewhere. I don't know.
For an online class, maybe check out eLearn Security?
http://www.elearnsecurity.com/course/penetration_testing/
Logged
BS in IT, CISSP, MS in IS Management (in progress)
sil
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 549
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #2 on:
May 10, 2012, 08:01:34 AM »
Quote from: omegaflare on May 09, 2012, 10:38:38 PM
Now I am focusing on Offensive Warfare as my main specialty. So I want to specialize in Penetration Testing and get licensed. I want to get certified in OSCP, or LPT.
Get licensed by whom? In a conventional licensing scheme, one takes exams and is certified by a governing body who sets forth parameters of checks and balances alongside rules to ensure that the individual licensed is "on board" with the objectives of whomever gave them the license. When the individual strays from this, the license is revoked, penalties applied and so forth. There is not ONE organization that 1) has the authority to make this sort of rule 2) has the capability/know-how to enforce any silly rules it could apply when it comes to "cybersecurity." The framework for global cooperation is not and will never be there so such license would be utter nonsense and complete marketing.
You don't need a license to perform penetration testing and anyone who tells you this needs to stick to reading re-hashed nonsensical books. What you will ALWAYS need is insurance to cover yourself and the possibility of damages you may incur from doing something wrong. No one, not one organization be it SANS, EC-Council, even the US Government can make a push for "licensing" pentesters. The content would be so broad and never-ending no exam could possibly be given. This is because of the many areas of security involved in penetration. (See
http://infiltrated.net/TechnicalSecurityRoadmap.html
)
Now, to answer your question, the link above will also give you a glimpse and starting point at the many different and diverse areas concerning security testing. I suggest having a look..
Logged
http://www.infiltrated.net/mgz/puppylecter.jpg
unicityd
Full Member
Offline
Posts: 156
Bored IT Manager, Crypto Nerd
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #3 on:
May 10, 2012, 10:19:47 AM »
Quote
anyone who tells you this needs to stick to reading re-hashed nonsensical books
Do you like any of the penetration testing books out there? You've seemed fairly dismissive of them in the past. Do you think people should skip them entirely?
I don't think that reading one (or several) will make someone an expert or anything close to that, but they seem useful for getting a basic introduction.
Logged
BS in IT, CISSP, MS in IS Management (in progress)
sil
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 549
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #4 on:
May 10, 2012, 11:23:33 AM »
I prefer to stick with networking, programming and systems based reading. For the most part, there are under one handful of books that are alright when it comes to pentesting. The problems I have are:
1) Content is tailored for your reading pleasure
In most books, they're using loaded examples. Similar to shooting fish in a barrel. What are you learning? Certainly not the core of what happens during an exploit. You're leaning what they did to compromise their loaded machine.
2) Content is horribly narrow
Name me one pentesting book that does not use MS08-67 and I will show you 20 that do. Pentesting does not revolve around Windows MSRPC. There is a lot more to understand and learn.
3) Rehashed rehashed rehashings
Most books I have read (and I have read about 10-12 books this year alone) are so repetitive of the things that I have seen in other books and blogs that its disgusting. I would (and always do) recommend understanding systems and networking at an extremely level (understand the protocols) moreso than focusing on wasting money on "Hacker Voodoo Edition 7 Multi Platinum Bling Bling Edition."
Reasoning for me so adamant about learning such content (sys/net) for those new to pentesting is that it makes them well rounded where they begin to compile a wider array of expertise. Makes little sense to compromise a system only to get on the system and not understand even the basic commands, the basics of say a multi-homed network, a NAT'd network, VPN'd network and so forth.
Logged
http://www.infiltrated.net/mgz/puppylecter.jpg
omegaflare
Newbie
Offline
Posts: 2
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #5 on:
May 11, 2012, 09:02:17 PM »
http://www.offensive-security.com/information-security-training/penetration-testing-with-backtrack/
- will this help me out in regard to pentesting? I can take online courses and get certified (not licensed.. of course).
I have been doing programming in mysql, Java, and pHp. Now I am learning C and then eventually Assembly Language. my programming is quite rusty so I will need to re-hone my programming skills.
I may know how to program but I still need to understand the security fundamentals so I will able to conducting pen testing. I just want to make sure I am on the right track; writing viruses interested me but often perceived as a threat by many organizations/governments so I am not sure if this is a good thing but that's something I want to learn.
Logged
chrisj
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1163
Re: CEH and other questions
«
Reply #6 on:
May 11, 2012, 09:22:02 PM »
When it comes to pentesting, that's one of the ones that those in the know look to and respect. It isn't a case of oh, I read a book and passed a multiple choice question test. The PWB / OSCP is completely hands on, and you'll learn a lot along the way. Search through the forums, there have been many discussions on it, how many times people had to take the exam, and what we all think of it. Even people that took it and failed feel that they learned quite a bit along the way.
Will it tell HR or a hiring manager that you're the world's greatest pentester?No. will it tell them, if they know what the cert is, that you know something? Yes. Will it show you're willing to learn, and continue your education? Yeah.
While I don't have the OSCP, and haven't done the PWB course. I have done the WiFu course, and got the OSWP. I've been brought in a few times for interviews just because of it. They wanted to know what it was like and impressions of it.
Logged
OSWP, Sec+
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
Print
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
EH-Net
-----------------------------
=> Calendar Of Events
===> ChicagoCon 2007
===> ChicagoCon 2008s
===> ChicagoCon 2008f
===> ChicagoCon 2009s
=> Ethical Hacktivism
=> News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net
===> Greetings
=> Special Events
-----------------------------
Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications
-----------------------------
=> General Certification
===> Networking
===> OS
===> Security
=> Compliance, Regulations & Standards
=> Control Systems
=> Cyber Warfare
=> Forensics
===> CCE / MCCE - (Master) Certified Computer Examiner
===> CHFI - Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator
===> EnCE - EnCase® Certified Examiner
===> GCFA - GIAC Certified Forensics Analyst
=> Hardware
=> Incident Response
===> CSIH - Computer Security Incident Handler
===> GCIH - GIAC Certified Incident Handler
=> Malware
===> Advisories
=> Mobile
=> Network Pen Testing
===> CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker
===> CPTC - Certified Penetration Testing Consultant
===> CPTE - Certified Penetration Testing Engineer
===> CSTA - Certified Security Testing Associate
===> eCPPT - eLearnSecurity Certified Professional Penetration Tester
===> ECSA - EC-Council Certified Security Analyst
===> GPEN - GIAC Certified Penetration Tester
===> OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional
=> Physical Security
=> Programming
=> Social Engineering
=> Web Applications
=> Wireless
===> CWNP Certs
===> GAWN - GIAC Assessing Wireless Networks
===> OSWP - Offensive Security Wireless Professional
=> Other
-----------------------------
Columns
-----------------------------
=> Editor-In-Chief
=> Andress
=> Gates
=> Haddix
=> Hadnagy
=> Heffner
=> Hoffman
=> Linn
=> RichM
=> Murray
=> J. Peltier
=> Weidman
=> Wilson
-----------------------------
Features
-----------------------------
=> /root
=> Book Reviews
=> Opinions
=> Skillz
===> Examples
===> May 06 - Star Hacks, Episode V: The Empire Hacks Back
===> July 06 - Hack Bill!
===> Sept 06 - Netcat in the Hat
===> Nov 06 - Hitch-Hackers Guide to the Galaxy
===> Dec 06 - A Christmas (Hacking) Story
===> Feb 07 - Charlottes Web Site
===> April 07 - Microsoft Office Space
===> June 07 - Serenity Hack
===> Oct 07 - Worst. Ethical. Hacker. Challenge. Ever.
===> Dec 07 - Frosty the Snow Crash
===> March 2008 - It Happened One Friday
===> Oct 2008 - Scooby Doo and the Crypto Caper
===> Dec 08 - Santa Claus Is Hacking to Town
===> Feb 2009 - Brady Bunch Boondoggle
===> July 2009 - Prison Break
===> October 2009 - SSHliders
===> December 2009 - Miracle on Thirty-Hack Street
===> December 2010 - The Nightmare Before Charlie Browns Christmas
-----------------------------
Resources
-----------------------------
=> Career Central
===> Looking For Work
===> Looking To Hire
=> Links to cool sites.
=> Mass Media
=> News from the Outside World
=> Tools
=> Tutorials
===> Tutorial Requests
Loading...
Exclusive Deal
SANSFIRE 2013
June 15 - 22
5% Off
w/ Code
:
EHN_5
SANS Deals 4 EH-Netters
5% OFF
Any
SANS Course
in Any Format!
Coupon Code:
EHN_5
Including
SANS Rocky Mountain 2013
&
SANS Boston 2013
Polls
Compared to this year, 2013 will be:
Great!
Better.
About the same.
Little worse.
FUBAR!
Recent Forum Topics
Haddix
: occhiali da sole oakley No. obwk9670fcn8
(0) by
Yesenia6456
Skillz
: occhiali oakley No. wnjj9014ihu3
(0) by
Yesenia6456
March 2008 - It Happened One Friday
: occhiali da sole No. kpum1946mfh1
(0) by
Yesenia6456
Special Events
: occhiali da sole No. uldd4706vfc0
(0) by
Yesenia6456
Networking
: occhiali oakley No. gfyo2201nfc7
(0) by
Yesenia6456
Network Pen Testing
: De-ICE 1.140 released!
(2) by
superkojiman
Programming
: Finished Python Course in Codecademy now what?
(12) by
3xban
Network Pen Testing
: AIX Vulnerability Assessments
(1) by
3xban
General Certification
: CPT Practical Submission
(1) by
UNIX
OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional
: Failed my first attempt at the OSCP exam
(94) by
azmatt
Tools
: Social-Engineer Toolkit (SET) Version 5.0 “The Wild West” Released
(2) by
m0wgli
Malware
: EICAR?
(3) by
UKSecurityGuy
Advisories
: HTB23154: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Exponent CMS
(0) by
AndyP
Advisories
: HTB23153: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Jojo CMS
(0) by
AndyP
Advisories
: HTB23151: Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) in UMI.CMS
(0) by
AndyP
Tutorials
: Need guidance
(8) by
r0ckm4n
OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional
: Class Scheduled 6/8 - Linux n00b
(7) by
Taemyks
OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional
: OSCP exam scheduled
(6) by
gbhat
Incident Response
: LinkedIn Forensics
(0) by
AFENTIS_Forensics
General Certification
: Red Team/Blue Team
(1) by
ajohnson
Career Central
: Starter cert?
(3) by
Grendel
Network Pen Testing
: Beginner Ethical Hacker
(1) by
m0wgli
Web Applications
: Nessus and Nikto
(4) by
Seen
Network Pen Testing
: Cracking salted MD5 hash
(4) by
n37sh@rk
CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker
: Passed my C|EH
(3) by
n37sh@rk
Mass Media
: EC-council hacked, irony at his best?
(0) by
j0rDy
Web Applications
: SQL Injection into an INSERT statement.
(6) by
eyenit0
Network Pen Testing
: Solution for sipXtapi INVITE Message CSeq Field Header Remote Overflow
(1) by
m0wgli
Web Applications
: dns
(2) by
H1t M0nk3y
Other
: BSides Boston
(0) by
3xban
Career Central
: InfoSec in Central, FL
(2) by
tturner
Web Applications
: Web vulnerability scanner
(4) by
H1t M0nk3y
EH-Net News Feeds
Latest Additions
Privacy Notice
for TDCC & All Properties
© 2013 The Ethical Hacker Network
Joomla!
is Free Software released under the GNU/GPL License.