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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 12:45:48 PM »

something that worked for me recently, slide this under management (in my case several directors) doors.

http://www.softwarequalityconnection.com/2011/05/i-like-my-it-budget-tight-and-my-developers-stupid/


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 01:02:40 PM »

Great article.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 01:17:57 PM »

Quote from: chrisj on October 16, 2011, 12:45:48 PM

I agree! That article is incredible!


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 03:07:11 PM »

Quote from: YuckTheFankees on October 15, 2011, 12:52:31 PM

After going on Mile2's website, their products are definitely worth of trying but money is the problem. One of the good things about this month's prizes, is that we will have the chance to get 12 reviews on Mile2's products. it should answer a lot of our questions regarding them.

Yeah, my big think is waiting. I dont know if I am going to win or not, but the results are posted next month, AFTER the promotion is over, so I kind of dont want to miss the opportunity. I'll probably order the CPTE pack and then if I win, take the IH course.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 03:23:59 PM »

I think the same, 50% is good.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2011, 03:37:45 PM »

Yeah 50% is a crazy deal. Whoever buys a course, definitely give us feedback. I've heard of mile2 but reviews for them are far and few between.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2011, 10:07:37 PM »

Awesome article, thanks Chris. :-)

The most my employer paid for was a mandatory $50 "strength finders" book which basically just told me my top strengths are that I'm a "quick learner" and have "adaptability". lol


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2011, 06:26:11 PM »

I'm about to submit my training request at work. So if you're in my position with the certs I have, what would you do?

CEHv7 (in person) for $2500 (including exam voucher)
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CPTE (live virtual training) for $3000 + exam fee

I'm also going to ask about CCNA bootcamp.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2011, 07:01:06 PM »

Quote from: p0et on November 04, 2011, 06:26:11 PM

Neither. I would shoot for the OSCP. And if your ok with spending 3K+ I would consider SANS GPEN. It all depends on your goals.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2011, 07:04:06 PM »

Not knowing your goals, or what your business is. I 'd go for the CEH. Only because of the DOD backing... bu that's just me.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2011, 07:35:42 PM »

My opinion, I would do the CPTE, 1, so we can get the review, 2, with the training they are providing, you could likely go challenge and pass the CEH.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2011, 12:09:05 AM »

I do want to try the OSCP but on these forums, it seems that it's better to have a jumping off point with getting the CEH or CPTE training first. OSCP looks pretty intense and not sure how well I'd do if I jump right into that.

Yeah, with the training one would receive from taking the CPTE course, you could probably challenge the CEH exam (but I know my work won't pay $600 just to challenge one exam and I can't afford that either unfortunately).

I assume that I'd learn more by being in person at a course vs virtual training but not too sure. The CPTE is probably about $1000 more expensive in the end and it's only virtual training. Hmm... I'll go compare the syllabus of both courses and see just what the differences are (they still look similar to me).

I have a feeling that the team I'm on now may say no to everything anyways! Undecided

They may just have a budget of around $1K in which case I may end up going for something cheaper like OSCP or eLearnSecurity.


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 11:20:31 AM »

I haven't read the replies here, but, I'll give my take on CEH. No offense to anyone that has one, but I found it to be a pretty good waste of time. Now, I took the v3 or v4 CEH exam, but I found it to be one of those silly memorization tests.

What port does this backdoor run on?
What flag do you use in nmap to perform an OS fingerprit scan?

Seems to be a serious abundance of these types of questions, where I wanted to answer "google" or "that's what --help is for". I feel like these exams are fairly worthless, especially for what you pay. You might get SOME decent knowledge about actual "ethical hacking", but it's sparse compared to the menial flags and stuff you have to memorize.

I was excited when I first passed the exam, but quickly realized I wouldn't be paying to take it again. The CPE system was not in place after I took my initial exam, so I would have had to take the exam again... won't waste my time.

Try to find something that's more hands-on, and actually gives you practical skills for penetrating apps and networks. Memorizing a bunch of ports isn't going to get you there.

IMHO, YMMV, ICUP, etc...


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2011, 06:17:07 PM »

I received a call from someone at Mile2 and man he was energetic! lol He mainly had these points:
1. Mile2 was the first vendor to provide CEH training.
2. They remained the largest supporter and vendor for CEH training until they bailed and ran away from CEH.
3. They got tired of waiting weeks for the material from EC-Council only for it to be outdated when they finally got it.
4. They weren't sure why EC-Council couldn't afford to have Europeans or North American security pro's to write the material.
5. He used the line "CEH is not worth the paper it's printed on" and CPTE as well as SANS courses are much more sophisticated, methodical, practical and hands on.

I tend to steer clear of people who bash their competition but in this case, I think he's right. Wink


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Re: Mile2 says CPTE is a much better cert than CEH. True?

« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2011, 06:28:03 PM »

Somewhat. I wouldnt agree with "CEH is not worth the paper it's printed on".


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