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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2011, 09:04:15 AM »

Consulting can vary to your road warrior types that do a few months out or a couple weeks out doing projects.  Or you can work for a consulting company that handles the IT needs of a number of clients and you may only be spending a day at different clients around the state/city.  I worked for 2 such companies and spent my days driving around my state and playing IT Manager at a number of SMBs (Small/Medium Businesses) ranging from Law firms to larger manufacturing companies.  One can put in about 5 years in such a job before getting too fried.  You can do everything from Desktop deployments to Server migrations and Firewall installs.  I did plenty of firewall installs as well as Web/Spam filtering solutions.  So you do get a good amount of exposure and then you can determine the path you may want to follow.  Some companies may even give you an opportunity for professional development. 

Again, the more background experience you have the better security pro you will be.  Me personally, I think half of my career was spent fixing stuff and the rest of my career will be spent preventing it from breaking Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2011, 09:06:01 AM »

I firmly believe that it depends on what you learn in the NOC role.

If it gives you a good / broad experience with how things work, how network configurations come into play, how to secure and monitor the network, etc, then I see no reason you couldn't apply that knowledge in the security realm.

But if you don't get a good opportunity, during your NOC time, to learn more than the basics of keeping XYZ company's network alive and configured for general day-to-day operation, then you'd want to supplement the job with a lot of side learning, assuming you want to 'end up' in security.

I know plenty of NOC guys / gals who have since moved on to be great security people.  Then there's the flip side, and the ones who, IMHO, didn't work to get enough experience to remove the staple from a paper bag, in which they'd been kept, and therefore, shouldn't touch IT security to save their lives.  

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(Edit - and I'll second 3xban's post, that he submitted at the same time as mine...  Consulting can be a great opportunity to bolster your skills and grow into other areas.  The only downfall is making sure you have  enough contracts, or that youwork for an established firm, to make ends meet, in the process, as Consulting gigs vary, in terms of 'job security')
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 10:29:38 AM »

I think half of my career was spent fixing stuff and the rest of my career will be spent preventing it from breaking Cheesy

Very accurate description. I did consulting for large companies initially then moved into the SMB market. The larger companies are nice because you get to see technologies in more of a silo, but smaller companies let you do more hands on. For example, at larger say Fortune 500 companies, there will be dedicated firewall teams that may even be segregated into smaller teams for design, engineer, and implementation. Then, you go to a smaller company who has a SonicWall sitting in a box and they say "Can you make this work?". I am definitely a corporate guy these days due to personal time constraints but one of the major things I miss about consulting is how widespread the responsibilities you're asked to perform are. I'd say if you're really wanting out of the NOC, which as Hayabusa pointed out - can be a fantastic environment for learning security and networking, do some recon on some of the local IT consulting firms and probably target the SMB side as it sounds like you're looking to really increase your hands on experience.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »

Now that I am currently in a larger more corporate setting, I am finding that I miss the SMB.  The keys to the kingdom are concentrated at the corporate level and the outsourcing vendor.  I now spend more time staring at a useless web portal that shows me pretty graphs and very little raw data.  The site itself is slow and very rarely can you get the information fast enough to respond to an issue.  When you make requests for tools or access to do the job, you are typically refered to an outdated policy.  Some enterprises are so vested in the way they did things back in the day that getting them to change is a much more difficult task than cleaning up the problems.

With SMBs you may not have the budget for the shiny boxes with blinking lights, but you learn to utilize the systems and software you do have.  Not to mention you typically have access to all the log sources and can determine if issues are occuring in a realtime manner.  And if its a quiet week, you can probably go and build a server or evaluate new hardware from your vendor.  Not to mention SMBs are much easier to get a handle on things due to their size.

Consulting can be a great opportunity to bolster your skills and grow into other areas.  The only downfall is making sure you have  enough contracts, or that youwork for an established firm, to make ends meet, in the process, as Consulting gigs vary, in terms of 'job security')
And, I would agree with Hayabusa, if you try to do consulting on your own, it can be painful.  You best bet is get in with an established company and let them handle scheduling, billing and such and allow you to keep the stuff running.  Establishing a client base is a job in and of itself.
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