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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2006, 04:35:36 PM »

I have to strongly agree with ChrisG's point. Why condone the use of these "braindumps" by allowing the Q&A's to be posted here. I mean asking about concepts and seeking knowledge is one thing, but just trying to memorize answers, What does that accomplish?

The braindumps allow unqualified people to pass an exam that they cannot do the job for. They dillute our market with Paper Certified "Experts" and give everyone a bad name in the end.

You want to get your cert? Get the books, study, ACTUALLY LEARN the concepts, not just the answers and get your cert. If you are otherwise incapable or too lazy to do that, find another industry because Information Security isn't for you anyways... one of the KEY things that makes a good Security Professional is a passion for learning and the ability to learn things on your own.

I am adament about this topic as I have recently hired 2 "Paper Certified" Security Professionals who had CEH, CPTS and CISSP certifiications but unbeknowst had used braindumps to achieve their certifications and had lied on their resumes about experience. They waisted by time, my companies money and forced me to carry their load where they were not able. Once you have experienced something like that your opinion on the topic may change...
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 11:04:52 AM »

I strongly agree with divine's point ...
The no. of script kiddies is increasing and ugly, illeterate people are getting high end certifications.
Regarding discussing questions, its ok as far as guys dont just mugup the questions.
As discussed by somebody before that this is a place to educate everybody about the golden era called Internet Security.
And I would regret if EH-Net comes into any trouble due to legal issues regarding the questions or any content.
And if we get people in this field those are certified with little or no knowledge at all, it'll be embarassing.
The world around, has a great respect for ethical hackers, and if people like these start coming to this industry, its gonna be a heck !
When I passed my CEH cert in 2005, I thought that I'll be able to make it big in Info Security industry, however when I started working with some real geeks, I came to know that its practical knowledge is what counts. Not certifications.
Anyways its all about knowledge and understanding.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 01:35:57 PM »

We've already been through this a million times. it's an old topic, but I agree with both of you.

Makes me wonder a little bit about your screening process, though; you didn't discover they were only paper before you hired them? Did you give them any kind of testing?
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2007, 10:22:44 AM »

I think this forum about E-H.So, the Administrator can create some contest about Ethical Hacker to assess member.May be a week or two week we can do a test.It also help for everyone to preparing for CEH. and open knowledge.

havefun!
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2007, 03:02:34 PM »

Great thread...

It is important to have difficult questions discussed and dissected, it helps both the question answeree and the answerer.  However, there is no reason why the questions cannot be altered enough to where it would be considered a unique item.

The idea behind posting questions should be to learn more and strengthen an area that your are deficient in.  With this thought in mind altering the question would only be an issue if it was the specific question you wanted the answer to and not a similar question, which still holds the spirit of the original question.

Thangvt that is such a great idea, maybe the eh.net community could generate questions and (once we reached a descent amount) Don could create a database that would ask these questions in a randomly generated format. This is obviously just in the brainstorming phase, but something definitely worth talking more about.
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