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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 07:41:31 AM »

I agree with what chrisj said above. And I know this thread is old and I've probably read it already - and definitely already seen this debate here and elsewere. I'm sure someone has already said this but the bottom line is that there are some employers that value certifications and some that don't. Most show that you can take a test and have some sort of knowledge about the subject at hand. You might as well collect a few for the employers that will value them.

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The Second one, is an ad that run on the radio for about a month every couple of months. It's for a school that teaches you how to pass the Certs.

Have you ever been to one of the computertraining.com seminars? I went to the informational deal before I earned my MCSE just to see what they were all about - and I definitely never had any intention of giving them $25K for training. You meet one-on-one with a 'recruiter,' then sit in a group while someone gives a lecture about how great the program is, and then go back one-on-one so they can rope you in and get your money or give you a loan. I told them I had no problem spending $300 on books instead and learning on my own :-p The sad part is that when I asked her who their main market was she said "career changers." So they get these people in there that really have no clue about anything, other than they heard the radio ad, and think they can make a change just like that to IT. I guess it's rare that the students even get to the MCSE, most only pass one or two exams during the 6-month training.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 09:23:23 AM »

Very interesting thoughts, I would not have considered keeping a blog but I can't imagine that it would be useful in gaining an advantage over other competitors. If there is a stack of 500 resumes on someones desk, having a couple solid certs could at least get your resume set aside for consideration. A blog would not. Just one mans opinion of course.
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 10:03:42 AM »

Remember that whoever is looking at yours will likely be looking at dozens or hundreds that day. Poor formatting, spelling/grammar errors, etc. will get yours introduced to the garbage can (or recycle bin).

That part is very true. I updated my resume in 2009, and pretty much stopped getting calls or emails even from the head hunters doing searches on the "Job Boards". I'd send my resume out left and right but never got called back.

I tend to update my resume every 6 months at the very least. Anyway after the first 2010 update I started to get calls again.

Word auto-corrected Virtualization with Vitalization. I only found out last September or so, because a recruiter  recognized my name and had an old copy of my resume saved.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2011, 07:42:59 AM »

I agree I want to be a Pen tester and see myself studying for CISSP as it seem the only way I will get into a company.

It is the same for me kwkanter...

It happens that just yesterday, I receive an email from a head hunter asking if I was interested in a job for the Government of Canada. While I was reading their "mandatory" and "nice-to-have" requirements, I saw things like: "at least 8 years experience in abc, at least 8 years experience in xyz, etc". My 2 year experience in the filed isn't enough for jobs in the gorvernment here (they usually ask a minimum of 5 years in everything).

My certs can't buy experience...   Cry

Also, certs were the requirements #17 for this 3 year contract, asking for CISSP and/or CISA for a pentester job... They have no clue what they are talking about. That is why I am currently studying for CISSP even if I want to be a pentester... Sad but true...  Undecided

But hey, I can't blame them, I will be much more knowledgeable in 6 years! It goes down to the offer/demand. The more the offer, the higher the bar. The only problem is that many contracter with 8 to 10 years experience are completely disconnected from technology. Sure they know what a symmetric encryption algorithm is, but they have never seen a "C:\>" in a linux system... Again, sad but true...  Undecided

But as MaXe pointed out, a nicely formatted resume helps a lot, along with contacts, be member of associations (ISSA, OWASP, etc) and always be searching!
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2011, 08:36:55 AM »

Yeah,

I am writting the CISSP exam on April 2nd just because everyone is asking for it...
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2011, 02:18:20 PM »

Very interesting thoughts, I would not have considered keeping a blog but I can't imagine that it would be useful in gaining an advantage over other competitors. If there is a stack of 500 resumes on someones desk, having a couple solid certs could at least get your resume set aside for consideration. A blog would not. Just one mans opinion of course.

You don't keep a blog to put on your resume to rise to the top of the stack. You keep a blog to get exposure within the community so you don't have to send a resume in the first place.
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