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No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« on: February 21, 2011, 07:46:34 PM »

Just took the CEH exam today after a company paid class and passed. Yay me. In addition to the neato shirt, bag and dumpload of books, I found out the EcCouncil will issue a Network Defense cert when you provide a copy of your CEH cert, government ID (Military, contractor etc...) and of course $50.00. Pretty nice deal, Two certs for one.
My bossman, told me that he wants me to acquire the CISSP next (puke). I am trying to convince him that the CISSP is so saturated now and the CISM is a much better cert to have and has a higher pass rate.
Any thoughts on that?


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 03:24:18 AM »

On the NDA, I say save the company $50. The NDA is an antiquated idea, and I dont think any employers look for it over the CEH, and any manager worth his salt will find out that you are "double dipping". The NDA should only be listed instead of the CEH, not with it.

Personally, I am all with you on the CISSP, I am very much against it. I am not personally familiar however with the CISA or CISM. Sorry.


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 07:17:10 AM »

Sephstorm, with NDA i think you mean the Network Defense cert? because NDA stands for Non Disclosure Agreement.

Personally i see the Network Defense cert as a replacement cert. This means if you apply for this one, you should provide that title (even though it is less widely known). The same goes for the whole CEH -> ESCA/LPT story. If you have CEH and ESCA, use the LPT title instead of CEH and ESCA. But i guess it is more 1337 if you just name them all Cool

come to think of it, i would probably put "CEH, LPT" on my businesscard. because it replaces the ESCA cert. It would be best to stop the possibility to apply for cert titles from combined certs Huh


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 07:44:51 AM »

Quote from: OGDeBO on February 21, 2011, 07:46:34 PM

My bossman, told me that he wants me to acquire the CISSP next (puke). I am trying to convince him that the CISSP is so saturated now and the CISM is a much better cert to have and has a higher pass rate.
Any thoughts on that?

Define "better". What is your job role? CISM is a management cert and is an excellent program but if you are primarily a techie it may hold little value for you.

The CISSP is a somewhat painful experience and is also somewhat of a management cert but I tell every infosec professional I know (except those that can get by on name recognition alone) to get their CISSP. Not because it will hold any particular value for you or teach you useful skills (although it may) but because that's the cert HR departments everywhere seem to filter on more than any other cert. Just suck it up and get it done. If you don't have it, you may stand out in ways you don't wish to with ignorant HR folks.


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 07:49:40 AM »

Neither the ECSA or LPT is widely known enough to list it instead of the CEH. You'd be better listing the CEH if you had to choose only one.

The CNDA certification was originally created because the government didn't want employees to have a certification with 'hacker' in the title. Now that the CEH has been approved for 8570, there isn't a reason to have CNDA and I'm not sure why EC-Council is still issuing it.


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 07:55:44 AM »

Quote from: j0rDy on February 22, 2011, 07:17:10 AM

Personally i see the Network Defense cert as a replacement cert. This means if you apply for this one, you should provide that title (even though it is less widely known). The same goes for the whole CEH -> ESCA/LPT story. If you have CEH and ESCA, use the LPT title instead of CEH and ESCA. But i guess it is more 1337 if you just name them all Cool

This kind of reminds me of the people with an MCSE + Security and/or Messaging specialization who write this after their name:

MCP,MCSA,MCSA:S,MCSA:M,MCSE,MCSE:S,MCSE:M


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 10:09:56 AM »

Quote from: j0rDy on February 22, 2011, 07:17:10 AM

Yes, i did mean Network Defense Architect.

And that is what I meant, I've seen a few CEH's online who list their certs as CEH + CNDA.. One reason for the problem is that ECC is not issuing it correctly. If the CNDA is needed, the person is supposed to take a different exam, (CEH with a different exam number) According to the website, they would then only be issued the needed cert, i.e CNDA vice CEH.


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Re: No $h1+ there I was taking the CEH exam

« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 06:35:25 PM »

Unless they already have the CEH, or take the CEH exam anyway, and work for the government as an employee or contractor...

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9. I have taken the CEH exam and I work for the US Govt. Can I be "grandfathered" for the CNDA certification?

Yes. Download and complete the CNDA application form

Like I said, I don't know why this is still available.