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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 08:17:24 PM »

Yeah I worked as a Intrusion/Security Analyst for about 3 years.  I am now managing/mentoring a team of 17 analysts, but it is still part of my duties.  We actually require the GCIA at my company so all analysts have to obtain it after starting.  If that is the type of role you are looking for I would say that GCIA is a great start.  
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 08:23:21 PM »

I know I want to be a "security analyst" and eventually security engineer but I am not sure if I want to work with firewalls, IDS/IPS, systems, web applications or a mix of all of the above.  The GCIA seems interesting but so does GPEN, GWAPT, and GCFW. At the cost of 900-3500 a pop though, it is a bit out of reach.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 08:29:56 PM »

Yeah completely understand.  I honestly think that SANS is overpriced for what they provide.  I got lucky because my employer pays for our certifications since it is a job requirement and they believe in "continuing education".  I would never pay SANS over out of my own pocket.  I don't know what you employment status is, but If I were you I would try to find a place that does pay or somehow convince your current employer that it is a benefit to them as much as you  Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 10:49:04 PM »

I am gainfully employed but I know they wouldn't pay 3k+ for a class (and I wouldn't ask).
More than likely I might try to challenge a cert or two but even that is starting to sound like a tough pill to swallow. 1k is a good amount of money. The OSCP looks awesome but it is 1k but at least that includes training and stuff. 1K just to challenge a test? Seems a bit pricey lol.

I might just try to knock out the "cheap stuff", MCTS, C|EH, SSCP, Elearn, offensive security and possibly learn security online. Then I'll find an employer who will pay for the big stuff (SANS).
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2011, 06:08:15 AM »

I always go the http://www.sans.org/security-training/volunteer.php route. $800 for conference attendance + cert + 4 months of Ondemand + some of the best social networking opportunities at the conference, What it does NOT include is bonus materials like SIFT kit, Wireless hardware etc which you will have to pay extra for. For instance I think the SEC508 Forensics course as a volunteer winds up being around $1100 which is still way cheaper. For most courses though this is a non-issue since only a few tracks utilize these extra materials.

For the record, when I did GCIA I did it via OnDemand and had never worked in packet analysis outside of troubleshooting network issues with Wireshark and some very basic work with tcpdump when pentesting.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2011, 08:39:53 AM »

I always go the http://www.sans.org/security-training/volunteer.php route. $800 for conference attendance + cert + 4 months of Ondemand + some of the best social networking opportunities at the conference, What it does NOT include is bonus materials like SIFT kit, Wireless hardware etc which you will have to pay extra for. For instance I think the SEC508 Forensics course as a volunteer winds up being around $1100 which is still way cheaper. For most courses though this is a non-issue since only a few tracks utilize these extra materials.

For the record, when I did GCIA I did it via OnDemand and had never worked in packet analysis outside of troubleshooting network issues with Wireshark and some very basic work with tcpdump when pentesting.

I did it last year and I agree, it's awesome! Best part is the networking. I met ALOT of bright people I still keep in contact with.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2011, 10:20:03 AM »

I might have to check that out  Cool

How do you jump into a analyst position? I mean from what I have seen, the entry bar is set pretty high.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2011, 02:29:49 PM »

I haven't taken the actual test for the GCIA, but I can tell you that its the only practice test for GIAC exams that I've taken that I failed. I guess that either means that the test is harder or I'm pretty crappy at packet analysis. Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2011, 03:51:48 PM »

Hmmm. I have heard the test is a bear. That's part of the reason why I want the official training and I don't want to have to throw 1k up to the wind.....
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »

I might have to check that out  Cool

How do you jump into a analyst position? I mean from what I have seen, the entry bar is set pretty high.

I do a lot of the Technical Screening at my company so i will give you a quick breakdown of what we look for in our analysts.  It likely varies from job to job, but this will give you an idea.  


Firm Understanding of general Networking  and protocols such as (TCP, UDP, ICMP, HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, SSH, SSL, DNS, SMTP etc..)

Understanding of IP Addresses and Subnetting.  For example what is an RFC1918 address and what is special about it.

Comfortable using Linux and various utilities such as (grep, awk, tcpdump, cat, tail, head, etc..)

Firm Understanding of web attacks such as (SQL Injection, XSS, RFI, CSRF, directory traversal etc..)

Good Understanding of Regular Expressions

Good Understanding of how networks devices work such as routers, switches, hubs, bridges, Host Based and Network based IDS/IPS, Firewalls, Web Application Firewalls, Proxies etc..

Some familiarity with nmap or other scanning tools

Experience using Databases such as MySQL, SQL, Oracle


Also as an Analyst you need to be able to pick up minor details.  It really is a job that requires a lot of attention to detail.  This is likely why people say that the test is tough.  SANS has a tendency to formulate the answers to the questions very similar so when you glance over them they all look the same, but there may be 1 minor detail that separates that answer from the rest like 1 octet may be different or the port number.  Stuff like that is what is the biggest hang up.  I hated it at first but after being in the position for 3 years I have learned that it is a necessity for you to be able to pick that kind of stuff out or you will easily miss attacks.

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2011, 08:05:39 PM »

Excellent write up. Maybe I should do the WCNA as a intro to the GCIA topics.

CEH, WCNA and Elearn as the el cheapo versions of GPEN, GCIA and GWAPT lol. Maybe that'll fly.
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2011, 08:26:42 PM »

I'm doing GWAPT and SANS Metasploit course in April but I've been seriously considering WCNA after that. It's either that or RHCE. I'm still interested in OSCP but Im thinking I'll wait a bit on that as I've been focusing on the pentest stuff lately and need to round out a bit some of my core skills. I have the WCNA book and it's really good stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2011, 09:26:02 PM »

I've got it as well although I haven't gotten into it yet. I have so many books on my "to read" list its insane.
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2011, 12:21:13 PM »

@nothingelse: Great write up! Thanks, for your insight!
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2011, 08:12:43 PM »

I passed the GCIA back in November 2010 and can say it is a very nice certification. The classes will give you the knowledge to look at a network packet and find anomalies within them. The test was not that hard once you have taken the class as it does teach you all you need to work hands on. I took a local mentor session and would highly recommend them to anyone.
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