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hi I'm doing my BS in CS With the aim of becoming a security professional but I'm in need of some rode maps
ok so here what I'm thinking
Network+
CEH
LPT
is that ok
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everyone's path and journey are different. Remember certs just show you have a baseline understanding of topic. The cert provider sets the baseline.
That said. You'll need to know networking, systems, some programming, and others.
Add Security+ to your list. Maybe some OS based training in both Linux and Windows. Don't need the certs as much (if you ask me), just training. Add some stuff from Offensive security too.
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Welcome to EH-Net. The term 'security professional' is too broad. Based on your cert choice, you want to start going in the direction of ethical hacking. But do you want network pen testing, forensics, web app, code review, malware research, reverse engineering...
The more you know, the more you realise you don't.
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I know what you mean about not needing the certs but wear I live no certs = no job unless you happen to be "wander boy/girl' and for the os part I will be taking the os class this coming trimester and it will be given in unix
and I plan to go gar be on what the class will cover for the sake of learning
Quote from: chrisj on October 28, 2010, 01:55:01 PM
everyone's path and journey are different. Remember certs just show you have a baseline understanding of topic. The cert provider sets the baseline.
That said. You'll need to know networking, systems, some programming, and others.
Add Security+ to your list. Maybe some OS based training in both Linux and Windows. Don't need the certs as much (if you ask me), just training. Add some stuff from Offensive security too.
well I'm more in to pen testing and it will be of great help if someone can point me in the right direction from the start
Quote from: don on October 28, 2010, 01:58:45 PM
Welcome to EH-Net. The term 'security professional' is too broad. Based on your cert choice, you want to start going in the direction of ethical hacking. But do you want network pen testing, forensics, web app, code review, malware research, reverse engineering...
The more you know, the more you realise you don't.
Don
thank you to both of you for your responses and all the guides all of you can give me
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October 29, 2010, 12:48:29 AM »
there is more to learning about an OS than one class can teach a person. You'll really need to know everything you can about the Operating Systems. There are 2 that you need to know, 3 if you have the desire (Windows, Linux, MacOS).
If you want to be a pentester. Then e-learn security and offensive security are the routes you want to go. Maybe hacking Dojo.
If you need to start at the beginning. Pick up Hacking for Dummies, and Hacking Exposed.
You'll still need a programming language. I've heard Python is good. I'm doing Perl (work choice, and have some experience in it). I've also written in C, Focus, Shell, Javascript, and some VBScript for work over the last 10 years, and have studied COBOL at one point. Only ones I can do now are Shell and some Perl.
So a start of a map:
Learn Networking, including how to design and understand packet captures
Hacking For Dummies
Hacking Exposed
Professional Penetration Testing
Python
OS - Windows Administration
OS - Linux Administration
Offensive Security - PWB
Offensive Security - WiFu
Elearn Security
You can pick and chose what you want. But starts to give you an idea.
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October 29, 2010, 05:10:44 PM »
thank you for that advices I already now python it was the first one I learn on my on I'm thinking of starting with php and JavaScript but don't now with which one to start and as for scripting language python is good but I don't like the why we have to writhe classes I was thinking of ruby or perl you thought???
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Since my primary skill set right now is Linux Administrator. I'm partial to Perl.
If you have a good grasp on python, you might want to look into grayhat python too. I've heard good things about it.
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To lend a helping hand...
Book Review: Gray Hat Python
Review by Ryan Linn, CISSP, MCSE, GPEN
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I will look in to that book
this may be a noob-ish question but I'll ask anyway
the few Linux Administrators that I now all use perl why is that?
Quote from: chrisj on October 29, 2010, 07:07:57 PM
Since my primary skill set right now is Linux Administrator. I'm partial to Perl.
If you have a good grasp on python, you might want to look into grayhat python too. I've heard good things about it.
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October 30, 2010, 11:38:31 AM »
It was popular back in the late 90s, when Linux was getting off the ground. It's installed on a lot of systems by default (like vi used to be), and some of the other languages didn't exist then. Because Perl, the Web, and Linux all took off at close to the same time, so they got integrated (paraphrasing Learning Perl) together in learning.
Personally I think Perl is like Shell Script on steroids. It's hard to learn, but close enough (from what I know of the language) to shell that I can pick what I need up again fairly quickly. There are also a lot of left over aps and code in Perl on the boxes that it'll still be around for a while.
When Perl was created, Larry Wall was dealing with data, and Shell, Sed and Awk gave out. So he made a language with more power, with the functions (Unix / Linux based) he was familiar with. (again paraphrasing Learning Perl).
InfoSec and Python are popular now. So it is sort of the same thing. People are learning them both at the same time, and mixing them together.
In 10 years, it may be Yansl and techfield being merged together.
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I check the book in amazon but people don't have nice things to say about it can some one give me an expert opinion about the book
Quote from: chrisj on October 29, 2010, 07:07:57 PM
If you have a good grasp on python, you might want to look into grayhat python too. I've heard good things about it.
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The book's excellent, however, it's not written for a complete newbie to python. If you have ANY experience with python, though, it's not a tough reach to learn a lot from it.
If it's any clue, it sits on my desk, with a couple of other 'select' books, right beside my monitor...
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thank you for that can you tell me what are your other selected books
Quote from: hayabusa on October 31, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
The book's excellent, however, it's not written for a complete newbie to python. If you have ANY experience with python, though, it's not a tough reach to learn a lot from it.
If it's any clue, it sits on my desk, with a couple of other 'select' books, right beside my monitor...
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October 31, 2010, 08:45:13 PM »
Sure... While I have a large bookshelf in my office, there's too much on that to list. But the ones on my desk are listed below:
I've got 'Gray Hat Python', 'Professional Penetration Testing' (Wilhelm), 'Dissecting the Hack' (Street), 'The Ruby Way' (Fulton) and a small handful of others (like the 5 Syngress books I won in EH-net's February giveaway, but haven't read to completion yet.). Sometimes, it just takes refreshing, or catching a quick glimpse at someone's ideas (even if you've already read them before) to remind you of things you've been meaning to do, or study up on, etc.
With specific regards to programming, though, my obvious choices for the Python book and Ruby book carried over. There's also a good book, if you're not a heavily-knowledged programmer, and looking to get a start. Reads more like a beginner book, but gets you into the swing. I think it was Don who read it and first posted a review, somewhere here on EH-net. "Hello World! (Sande) That one sits just off my desk, on a little bookshelf, within reach, too.
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October 31, 2010, 11:33:56 PM »
Like Hayabusa, Grayhat python sits within reach of my desk (as in on the half shelf next to it) in my lab / study / home office.
The books with it are, The WiFu Lab Manual, Hacking: The Next Generation, Learning Perl, Secuirty+ Deluxe Study Guide, Make: Electronics, Professional Penetration Testing, and Practical Lock Picking.
I'd keep all those on the desk, but the desk is too small, it is a converted writing desk, covered in electronics and locks.
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