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March 03, 2010, 11:41:41 AM »
We use some shared accounts (Yes I know it's bad, I am not allowed to change it.) Someone using the shared account is deleting data on a remote server so I need to figure out what computer they are using when they delete the file.
We have an Active Directory domain.
All PCs run Windows (2000/XP/Win7) and are domain members.
I have turned on auditing and can see the account deleting the file but I don't know of any way to get the computer account as well.
Can it be done?
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Re: Need to determine the computer a user account is coming from
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March 03, 2010, 02:30:52 PM »
this might help you out
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Kerberos-Authentication-Events.html
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Re: Need to determine the computer a user account is coming from
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March 04, 2010, 11:46:35 AM »
Thanks for the link. It was informative.
If I read this correctly I am still at square #1.
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Fron the Article:
To recap just for a moment, when Fred logs on at his workstation for the
first time that day, the domain controller that handles that logon will log
event ID 672, closely followed by an event ID 673 where the Service
Name corresponds to the computer name of Fred’s workstation.
The key statement which seems to get glossed over is "closely followed by". If you have many users authenticating at or near the same time the "closely followed by" is kinda useless.
I can the username and ip from the security log but there is no way to tie them together conclusively.
Maybe I am missing something?
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Re: Need to determine the computer a user account is coming from
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March 04, 2010, 12:08:40 PM »
Ah Active Directories..been ages for me. Can't you just resolve the host name of the machine by pinging the local IP address. I mean, if you have the local IP that should be enough to figure out where it's coming from.
Well at college we have stickers with the computer names on the machines. I believe pinging the local IP with option '-a' was enough to make the host name appear. Then it was really simple to figure out who did what on which machine
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Re: Need to determine the computer a user account is coming from
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March 04, 2010, 12:51:34 PM »
Quote from: JerichoJones on March 04, 2010, 11:46:35 AM
I can the username and ip from the security log but there is no way to tie them together conclusively.
To see if the computer is logged on:
nbtstat -a <ip>
To find the users name, based solely on his username, then look at your local connection cache:
net send <username> "
nbtstat -c
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Quote from: unsupported
nbtstat -a <ip>
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March 04, 2010, 07:28:40 PM »
Quote from: BillV on March 04, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
Quote from: unsupported
nbtstat -a <ip>
-A
Tomato, tomatoe... :p Thanks for the catch.
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March 05, 2010, 07:12:59 AM »
All this would be fine but I am talking about a
shared
account.
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March 05, 2010, 08:06:33 AM »
Sorry, I don't get it. I thought you meant shared as in multiple people can log in with the same account. So you get the IP from the machine that's used to log in. How would you be able to figure out who's sitting at the machine? I don't think you can, unless you're able to find out who used the machine at a specific time.
You asked how to figure out which machine is being used when they delete the file.
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I agree with ZeroFlaw, your orignal question was which computer this was coming from. You now have an IP address and should be able to track it down. Your audting should show when the file is deleted and which machines had logegd in using that username, then do process of elimination
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March 05, 2010, 11:18:29 AM »
Dust for finger prints, setup a video camera, or more serious suggestions would be to setup a key logger or review web proxy logs to see where the logged on user may have gone.
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Quote from: JerichoJones on March 05, 2010, 07:12:59 AM
All this would be fine but I am talking about a
shared
account.
We used to have shared accounts, but when we started getting viruses (and having to waste time cleaning the boxes), and people surfing porn with them, they didn't last much longer. Prior to that, it was a huge fight with the company about the accounts.
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March 05, 2010, 01:21:27 PM »
Yes I am talking about a user account shared among several people.
The crux of the issue is:
Nothing in the event log ties a user to a computer. If I have the Same ID logging on at the same time there is no way (that I see) to tie them together conclusively.
The computer and user both authenticate but these are seperate entries in the event log with nothing tying them together.
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March 05, 2010, 01:27:16 PM »
If the scenario is that many different persons use the same user account on a computer, then there should be hardly a possibility to determine which person is at the moment using the account. One solution would be a webcam which is enabled or some sort of spy cam. If you know each person very well you could analyze logs and look for visited websites etc. as you could maybe match it to a certain person.
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March 05, 2010, 01:36:43 PM »
These are students so WebCams are not an option.
I think I may have to look at sniffing. Bummer. I don't know squat about that.
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