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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 04:35:19 AM »

I'd also like to be involved, whether it be writing, proof reading etc.

I think a collaboration amongst the EH.net people would make for a good read!


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 08:35:10 AM »

Well, how does it look?

authors:

Jhaddix
jason
BillV
jimbob
Bane
timmedin
ethicalhack3r
Vedder
hayabusa
Grendel
awesec

Others (proofreading etc.?)

Laz3r
Vedder
hayabusa

Wasn't sure where to put you in, Don. Wink

Any suggestions how to proceed?

e: updated. Wink


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 08:55:59 AM »

I'll help out, as well, wherever there is need, awesec.


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2010, 09:13:26 AM »

I'd be willing to write as well, depending on the chapter topic. Is there an idea of what the book will cover?... there's a lot of ground out there.


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2010, 11:35:47 AM »

I would like to contribute with at least some ideas (I already have a few thoughts).
If you need more I am at your disposition.


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2010, 12:38:42 PM »

A write-up, with a summary of the topics contributors will wrote about will of course help to organize the cooperation, but I think you also need some ideas for the overall structure, so that contributors may produce with a target in mind to fit in, that isn't just writing an essay about their topic.
That's because otherwise putting togheter the contribution will result in some sort of refer manual, and there are already some books with that style, that also pobably focus on some of the same topics.

With regard to that, if may I ask an (hopefully constructive) devil-advocate question:

There are literally tons of books (claiming to be) about "hacking" or penetration testing, most of them boring people-with-IT-knowledge discovering the hot water again, other loosing general nature focusing on few particular metodology or (worse) tool to "reach the goal". Fortunately, there are also some good ones that push to be creative, driving the reader to get some skills, understand the concepts, then building his own way.

So, the question is: how will this book be different ?


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2010, 12:45:36 PM »

Quote from: awesec on February 04, 2010, 08:35:10 AM

Any suggestions how to proceed?

You've got a long list of people there. I think the next step would be to figure out what each author can bring to the table, as well if that is what they want to write about.

From there start looking at a very very rough outline, and then compare it to other books on the market.

With that list of contributors I can easily see that coming in around 1000 pages maybe think about breaking up into groups with sub focuses, which could end up as stand alone books.

Maybe have one group writing on Certifications, and the pros and cons of each. Another group doing programing in pen-testing (I know I'd like to see a gray hat like programming books), how a system administrator can do a quick audit (all pen-tests really are) without a lot of additional training, and another section on writing programs to run though system logs looking for problems (I know I'm getting tired of stumbling through grep and awk scripts, and there has to be a better way).


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2010, 08:14:11 PM »

First of all, I think that a good starting point will be to ask two questions:

1. what the others will want to know (problems they have, non documented topics, ...)?

2. what the contributors will like to write about?


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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2010, 10:57:54 PM »

This might help some... just my own personal experience, which may or may not have much weight... plus I had a really strong 7&7 and am feeling a bit tipsy, so what I write may not be coherent. But as usual, alcohol suppresses inhibitions, and so here I am, babbling away...

From personal experience, I know that publishers like the idea of the book to be fully flushed out before they ever look at it. Meaning, that before anyone writes a thing, there should be an outline of the book to at least two, preferably three topic layers deep. Although each individual author should be able to do that, the chapters should be well-defined in advance before handing off to authors. In none of the books I've co-authored have I been the one to pick which chapters go into it - that's for the lead to decide. I was simply asked which chapters I wanted to write, and went from there.

Also, think of audience, whether you want it to be entry level, very technical, broad, or pin-point on a single topic.

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Re: Writing a book

« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2010, 07:36:45 PM »

O_o

7&7 = Headache, btw


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