Home
Calendar
Certifications
Columns
Features
Forum
Resources
Vitals
Latest Additions
April 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - eLearnSecurity
Human Intelligence to Navigate the Security Data Deluge
February 2013 Free Giveaway Winner of SANS CyberCon Training
Interview: Bugcrowd Founders on Herding Ninjas for Crowdsourced Bug Bounties
Network Forensics: The Tree in the Forest
March 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - Mile2
Book Review: Violent Python
February 2013 Free Giveaway Sponsor - SANS
Holiday 2012 Free Giveaway Winner of Metasploit Pro by Rapid7
Course Review: SANS FOR408 Computer Forensic Investigations – Windows In-Depth
The Security Consulting Sugar High
Tutorial: Fun with SMB on the Command Line
Interview: Ilia Kolochenko, CEO of High-Tech Bridge
October 2012 Free Giveaway Winner of LearningGate Training
The Broken: Assessing Corporate Security in 2012 to Make a Better 2013
EH-Net Login
Welcome Guest.
Username:
Password:
Remember me
Lost Password?
No account yet?
Register
Who's Online
We have 41 guests online
Free Business and Tech Magazines and eBooks
You are here:
Home
Resources
Tools
VMWare or Virtual PC?
EH-Net
May 24, 2013, 11:02:46 PM
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email?
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
News
: Go back to The Ethical Hacker Network Online Magazine
Home Page
Home
Help
Calendar
Login
Register
EH-Net
>
Resources
>
Tools
(Moderator:
don
) >
VMWare or Virtual PC?
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
« previous
next »
Print
Author
Topic: VMWare or Virtual PC? (Read 9645 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Laz3r
Guest
VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
on:
July 01, 2009, 01:59:02 AM »
So, it's a pretty common question it would seem, but I can't find a clear answer on Google. From what I've been reading, VMware Workstation would probably be my best choice, but $185 isn't something I have to spare. I'm stuck with the freebie options at the moment, and I can't find a whole lot of feedback on the free VMware products.
For the most part my needs are simple, I just want to be able to install some OS's and play around with them. Nothing intense, I won't be using them heavily. My hope was to have one physical machine that could be my test dummy for different OS's and maybe a little practice attacking stuff (Without constantly reinstalling). In case it matters, it'll mostly be Windows OS's and maybe Ubuntu or something of the sort. I'm also open to the host OS, as I have a lot of options for that as well.
From the looks of things my Options are:
VMware Server
VMware ESXi (I think, not exactly sure what a bare-metal hypervisor is)
VMware Player (if the hack don posted a couple years back still works)
Or Virtual PC 2007
Any comments or suggestions you guys have would be welcome with open arms. I've never messed with Virtual environments before, so it's all pretty new to me.
Thanks,
Laz3r
Logged
UNIX
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1235
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #1 on:
July 01, 2009, 02:18:50 AM »
Definitely VMWare.
I test very many different virtualization software for various reasons although I had already worked before heavily with VMWare. VMWare is in my opinion by far the best software in this area and supports also most operating systems and settings. Also you will find a very stable product with it.
In my company I am using mostly VMWare Workstation and VMWare Server, where the first one is not free but offers some additional nice features.
For some testing and playing the free Server product should fit your needs easily, also the VMWare Player is free and should be tested.
Privately I also bought a licence for Workstation as I am doing a lot with it in my freetime and can therefore fully recommend it although it is a little pricy but not too expensive.
On the official website or even at
Wikipedia
you can get an overview on which features each version offers and for what they were designed.
Depending on your needs I think the Server product would be fine for you.
If you have any specfic questions please feel free to ask.
«
Last Edit: July 01, 2009, 02:21:22 AM by awesec
»
Logged
Andrew Waite
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 928
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #2 on:
July 01, 2009, 03:54:25 AM »
I'll second VMWare,
personally use a combination of VMWare server and ESXi, handles everything I need (and plenty of additional functionality I don't) not hit a point where I've needed to spend any cash on virtualisation.
I've blogged some of my experiences setting up and using my VMWare ESXi lab server, filed under the
vmware label
Both options are fairly easy to setup, but if you've not touched virtualisation before and are unsure about bare-metal hypervisors you probably want to get your feet wet with VMWare server before going to dedicated virtualisation infrastructure.
Hope this helps, shout if you get any problems.
Logged
--
http://www.infosanity.co.uk
--
http://blog.infosanity.co.uk
hades_a
Newbie
Offline
Posts: 22
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #3 on:
July 01, 2009, 06:26:20 AM »
Hi All,
I can also recommend VMWare as the standard.
I am however a little less repulsed with Virtual PC Beta which is now imbeded in the new Windows 7 after a windows update
. It finally has USB support but the integration feature is still a little buggy.
I am also a big user of Sun's Virtualbox which does pretty much all I need for a desktop and I would rank it above VPC but below VMWare.
C
Logged
MCSE 2003:Security, Security+, MCITP:EA
hayabusa
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1633
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #4 on:
July 01, 2009, 08:12:34 AM »
I'd agree on VMWare.
Past experience lends strongly to my preference, as it just seems to be the most flexible solution, particularly if you want to setup a pentest lab. Additionally, so many more companies already have VMWare, of one sort or another, out there, already, and so it's also good to be testing against a commonly used setup. ( - companies I support, as well as others I've been into.)
The pricing is very reasonable, dependent upon which version you want or need to satisfy your hunger. I run ESXi on an HP G3 server I got from eBay a while back. ESXi was free, and the server I picked up had 16 GB of RAM and 180 GB storage, for under $400+shipping. Makes for a nice little lab setup.
My 2 cents, anyway...
Logged
~ hayabusa ~
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved." - Sun Tzu, 'The Art of War'
OSCE, OSCP , GPEN, C|EH
Ignatius
Jr. Member
Offline
Posts: 91
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #5 on:
July 01, 2009, 08:47:54 AM »
They're in the middle of a series about virtualisation and ESXi on Hak5 (it's been advertised here). I'm not an expert, but I think that they're aiming more towards a functional virtualisation setup for a real working network, rather than a lab to play and learn. They built a PC last week for under $2000 and they loaded ESXi. I'm not sure what comes next, but I hope that they'll do some of the configurations of ESXi and OS installs. I suspect that I'll be following their recommendations over the next month or so.
I know that such a PC would exceed my lab requirements, but I could use it subsequently in a production network.
Logged
Laz3r
Guest
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #6 on:
July 01, 2009, 10:55:46 AM »
Thank you guys very much for the info. It'll be about a month or so before I get it up and going, as that's when I'll be getting a hold of the machine to do it on. Looks like I'll be checking out VMware server first. When I get it running, I'm sure I'll end up with a few more questions. Thanks again.
Logged
BillV
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1892
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #7 on:
July 01, 2009, 02:29:35 PM »
A little late on this one, but I also vouch for VMware over VirtualPC. It has been a little while since I tried VirtualPC, but I really disliked it compared to VMware.
If you're going to be getting a system to run this on, you may want to consider the ESXi version (the fact that it's free doesn't hurt either
). I'm not sure I saw anyone answer your question.. the difference is that VMware Player/Workstation/Server all run within an [host] OS. The VMware ESXi is more of its own, very minimal, operating system on which you can build virtual machines (at least this is my understanding of it - I've never installed it, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong). If you go that route, make sure the hardware you purchase is compatible.
BillV
Logged
apollo
Full Member
Offline
Posts: 146
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #8 on:
July 01, 2009, 02:52:14 PM »
I agree with the server side ESX or ESXi, for host side, I like VirtualBox. It's free, the network isn't as easy to setup, but it is more flexible so you can do more stuff with it. It is also free for personal use.
Logged
CISSP, CSSLP, MCSE+Security, MCTS, CCSP, GPEN, GWAPT, GCWN, NOP, OSCP, Security+
Laz3r
Guest
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #9 on:
July 01, 2009, 03:02:23 PM »
So from the sound of it, ESXi is the host OS? I didn't look into it's compatibility, but I don't have much option on the hardware. It's a machine that I'm building in class, so I get what they give me. It's not gonna be the greatest, but I should be able to get it working well enough between what I get and what I have hanging around. I'll have to look into it more to decide if want to use ESXi or Server. But at least I've gotten VirtualPC out of the way. Thanks.
Logged
BillV
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1892
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #10 on:
July 02, 2009, 06:04:45 AM »
Quote from: Laz3r
So from the sound of it, ESXi is the host OS?
Yes, that's my understanding. It's a very minimal host OS used to create VM's. When reading the site, I thought I noticed something about hardware requirements (not high-end specs or anything - just certain systems that ESX will install on).
Logged
hayabusa
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1633
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #11 on:
July 02, 2009, 07:29:20 AM »
Yes. ESXi is it's own base operating system. By doing it that way, they've assured that the VM's have much more control and access to both the physical hardware and resources than they'd have if running underneath another host OS, such as Windows or Linux. It's really very easy to install (bootable cd image,) once you have hardware that supports it, and installing and managing guests takes very little understanding, as well. There are a few options you might spend some time on, with some of it's internal routing configs, etc, to give hosts NAT, Bridged or internal VLAN's, but aside of that, I think you'll find it very easy to work with. The ONLY drawback to it, at all, is that there's a bit of effort involved if you want to transfer, say VMWare Workstation VM's to the server, or vice-versa, as there's a bit of translation that occurs, however, if you truly want a server, it's not as likely you'll be moving VM's around.
IF you plan to run the VM's where you can 'easily take them with you,' then I'd advise VMWare Workstation (which I've also been running since VMWare's earliest revisions.) Now, it does run under a guest OS, so hardware access is more 'tainted' based on what the host OS allows the VM's to do, etc, but VM's are easily portable between HOST machines, and even between multiple HOST OS's (such as Linux and Windows) with only minor tweaks involved.
So it ultimately depends on how flexible you want to be, whether or not you want a system that's very similar to what larger, production customers run, and what type of hardware or portability you want. Regardless, I prefer VMWare to the other options. It's always just been way simpler to get things done, way more functional, and again, tends to be status quo for customer environments I've been in.
Logged
~ hayabusa ~
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved." - Sun Tzu, 'The Art of War'
OSCE, OSCP , GPEN, C|EH
timmedin
Sr. Member
Offline
Posts: 469
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #12 on:
July 11, 2009, 04:11:22 PM »
I pick ESXi
I'll second what Hayabusa0194 said though about portability. If you need them on the go then ESXi isn't going to do it for you.
ESXi will require you have an extra machine laying around but it works great. I would highly recommend a server class machine (more power) so you can have enough resources available to run multiple guests (term for the virtual machines) at the same time. I leave it running all the time and I have a bunch of guests running that I can bang on or setup for specific tasks (wiki, password cracking, rainbow tables, etc).
Logged
twitter.com/timmedin |
http://blog.securitywhole.com
Laz3r
Guest
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #13 on:
July 12, 2009, 02:50:39 AM »
I didn't plan to get this little project of mine going for a month or so, but an opportunity came up that required me to start a little sooner than I expected. I planned on using a separate machine, which had me leaning towards ESXi. But since I don't have that extra machine yet, I'm using Server for the time being. It didn't take to long to figure out, and it's been working great for me since. Thanks to everybody who helped narrow my choices down.
Logged
macdaddy
Newbie
Offline
Posts: 4
Re: VMWare or Virtual PC?
«
Reply #14 on:
July 12, 2009, 01:11:22 PM »
I'll also vouch for VMware . In my limited experience with it, it just seems to handle everything you can throw at it with ease and very limited fuss to go along with it.
I've used most of the free tools that I can get my hands on and one of my favorite tools has always been the VMware stuff. Even the physical to virtual converter is an awesome product.
Good Luck with your project!
Logged
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
Print
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
EH-Net
-----------------------------
=> Calendar Of Events
===> ChicagoCon 2007
===> ChicagoCon 2008s
===> ChicagoCon 2008f
===> ChicagoCon 2009s
=> Ethical Hacktivism
=> News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net
===> Greetings
=> Special Events
-----------------------------
Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications
-----------------------------
=> General Certification
===> Networking
===> OS
===> Security
=> Compliance, Regulations & Standards
=> Control Systems
=> Cyber Warfare
=> Forensics
===> CCE / MCCE - (Master) Certified Computer Examiner
===> CHFI - Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator
===> EnCE - EnCase® Certified Examiner
===> GCFA - GIAC Certified Forensics Analyst
=> Hardware
=> Incident Response
===> CSIH - Computer Security Incident Handler
===> GCIH - GIAC Certified Incident Handler
=> Malware
===> Advisories
=> Mobile
=> Network Pen Testing
===> CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker
===> CPTC - Certified Penetration Testing Consultant
===> CPTE - Certified Penetration Testing Engineer
===> CSTA - Certified Security Testing Associate
===> eCPPT - eLearnSecurity Certified Professional Penetration Tester
===> ECSA - EC-Council Certified Security Analyst
===> GPEN - GIAC Certified Penetration Tester
===> OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional
=> Physical Security
=> Programming
=> Social Engineering
=> Web Applications
=> Wireless
===> CWNP Certs
===> GAWN - GIAC Assessing Wireless Networks
===> OSWP - Offensive Security Wireless Professional
=> Other
-----------------------------
Columns
-----------------------------
=> Editor-In-Chief
=> Andress
=> Gates
=> Haddix
=> Hadnagy
=> Heffner
=> Hoffman
=> Linn
=> RichM
=> Murray
=> J. Peltier
=> Weidman
=> Wilson
-----------------------------
Features
-----------------------------
=> /root
=> Book Reviews
=> Opinions
=> Skillz
===> Examples
===> May 06 - Star Hacks, Episode V: The Empire Hacks Back
===> July 06 - Hack Bill!
===> Sept 06 - Netcat in the Hat
===> Nov 06 - Hitch-Hackers Guide to the Galaxy
===> Dec 06 - A Christmas (Hacking) Story
===> Feb 07 - Charlottes Web Site
===> April 07 - Microsoft Office Space
===> June 07 - Serenity Hack
===> Oct 07 - Worst. Ethical. Hacker. Challenge. Ever.
===> Dec 07 - Frosty the Snow Crash
===> March 2008 - It Happened One Friday
===> Oct 2008 - Scooby Doo and the Crypto Caper
===> Dec 08 - Santa Claus Is Hacking to Town
===> Feb 2009 - Brady Bunch Boondoggle
===> July 2009 - Prison Break
===> October 2009 - SSHliders
===> December 2009 - Miracle on Thirty-Hack Street
===> December 2010 - The Nightmare Before Charlie Browns Christmas
-----------------------------
Resources
-----------------------------
=> Career Central
===> Looking For Work
===> Looking To Hire
=> Links to cool sites.
=> Mass Media
=> News from the Outside World
=> Tools
=> Tutorials
===> Tutorial Requests
Loading...
Exclusive Deal
SANSFIRE 2013
June 15 - 22
5% Off
w/ Code
:
EHN_5
SANS Deals 4 EH-Netters
5% OFF
Any
SANS Course
in Any Format!
Coupon Code:
EHN_5
Including
SANS Rocky Mountain 2013
&
SANS Boston 2013
Polls
Compared to this year, 2013 will be:
Great!
Better.
About the same.
Little worse.
FUBAR!
Recent Forum Topics
News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net
: Change is Coming to EH-Net!!
(30) by
don
Tools
: Symbolic Exploit Assistant project is looking for collaborators
(0) by
galapag0
Greetings
: Hi from the UK
(5) by
prats84
GCIH - GIAC Certified Incident Handler
: Passed my GCIH
(9) by
prats84
Network Pen Testing
: Want a challenge? Want a GXPN practice exam?
(0) by
ajohnson
GCIH - GIAC Certified Incident Handler
: GCIH Free Practice test attempt
(1) by
prats84
EH-Net News Feeds
Latest Additions
Privacy Notice
for TDCC & All Properties
© 2013 The Ethical Hacker Network
Joomla!
is Free Software released under the GNU/GPL License.