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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2009, 11:51:07 AM »

Hello,
I have a question related to the same subject.
I want to take a certification to help me doing vulnerability assessment, not necessary penetration testing. I still can't decide between CEH and OSCP. I already am CISSP and CISM, but I want something more hands-on.
What do you suggest??
Thanks!
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2009, 04:00:08 PM »

For 'hands on', I would say offsec, then GPEN.  I am not a CEH so I can not comment on the hand on element (there are plenty of CEH members that can).  However, the exam for the OSCP is 100% pure, unadulterated, mind blowing hands on!!

However, this is a pent testing course, with little 'pure' vulnerability scanning, so with this in mind, you might be better off with GPEN which includes pen testing and vulnerability scanning.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 02:50:51 AM »

For 'hands on', I would say offsec, then GPEN.  I am not a CEH so I can not comment on the hand on element (there are plenty of CEH members that can).  However, the exam for the OSCP is 100% pure, unadulterated, mind blowing hands on!!

However, this is a pent testing course, with little 'pure' vulnerability scanning, so with this in mind, you might be better off with GPEN which includes pen testing and vulnerability scanning.

Hope that helps.


From all I've heard, OSCP is the way to go for more hands on.  I know the class I had with Infosec Institute that happened to include CEH testing was also very hands on, but I'm not confident you'll find that across the board.  There were some folks in my class who passed the test who weren't... um.. so good.  There were also some bad ones who did fail too, which gave a person some faith as well.   But, by all accounts, OSCP is the cert associated with more hand-on stuff than a CEH.

On the other hand, I actually have gotten recruiter emails simply because their hiring client mentioned CEH specifically in requirements, and I bubbled up on top of others for that reason.   CEH definitely has the more accessible and better known name of the two to the broader public.   

I never even saw a study guide or knew of the official coursewhere for the CEH by the way, and rocked the hell out of that test, but this also wasn't my first security course ever, I came in quite comfy with linux and windows, and had been doing vulnerability assessment as a  job for a year or so when I took it. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2009, 09:39:20 PM »

I've always been interested in computer security. My daily job is an IT administrator for SMB clients running SBS 2003/2008 boxes + terminal server environments and small vmware deployments.

Last year I decided to take a dive into some serious infosec study.

I initially had my eyes set on the CEH but I decided to do OSCP after two things. Firstly I looked at the back track distro and thought it was very well done. Secondly I found out that the exam was completely practical based and I have very fond memories of doing my RHCT exam. (To this day I think that practical based exams are not only challenging and rewarding but FUN!)

So I signed up to OffSec101. I fully enjoyed the course even though I have not sat the exam yet for personal reasons. I firmly believe that if you have a solid understanding of linux, networking and basic scripting skills OffSec101 is the best starting course.

The format is good, the videos are clear and the labs are interesting.

I'm currently finishing up ethical hacking online from InfoSec Institute (the training is for CPT and CEH exams). A lot of the stuff being covered I have learnt already from OffSec101. However gained a lot more value because i did OffSec101 first. I chose to do this course because the CPT exam was part practical and it included CEH training as a bonus.

My recommendation for anyone who is getting into this is to.

Doing a basic networking course first to ground yourself in the OSI model and understand networking principles. It is very important.

Train up on linux use and administration.

Once these foundation items are set sign up for OSPWB.

Do a InfoSec Institute ethical hacking course. I can't recommend the online one though because I have found it to be of poor quality, if I hadn't done OS101 first I don't think I would have learnt anything. I have only heard of great things about the instructor led courses.

From there branch out into the InfoSec Insitute advanced ethical hacking class or OSCTP or why not do both?

From that you should have seriously solid base of building a future in security. These classes don't make you a pentester they prepare you to be one.

In terms of certs you should be able to walk away with OSCP, CPT, CEH, CEPT, OSCE, ESCA, LPT.

In that mix there is clearly a mix of "business recognised certs" (EC-Council ones) and proven hands on training (OffSec, IACRB certs).
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 11:57:50 PM »

I still can't decide between CEH and OSCP. I already am CISSP and CISM, but I want something more hands-on.
What do you suggest??
Thanks!

When your options are CEH or OSCP I would go for the OSCP. I am not certified for either (yet) but depending on all the posts and reviews I have read so far, OSCP should be more hands on and cover the things better. CEH may teach more different things but only on the surface and not really deep enough as I have often read. As you are already CISSP and CISM certified I assume that you have a good knowledge and a good base to go for OSCP.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 01:04:00 AM »

As you are already CISSP and CISM certified I assume that you have a good knowledge and a good base to go for OSCP.
and you'll qualify for 40 ISC2 CPE Credits for OSCP certification, which is a good addition i think Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 11:33:04 PM »

Thanks awesec for your advice.
In fact, I want to do OSWP during the summer and in September I'll do OSCP. I am sure I'll enjoy them, I just hope I'll have the time to do it (job, kids, moving...  Huh )
I'll inform you guys what I'll do about them.
Happy summer to you all!
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