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« on: February 15, 2009, 11:58:14 PM »

Yet another entry into the "official" cyber war fray. I'm curious to see when the DoD will quit bickering about this internally and get cracking on something.

http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Report-claims-German-armed-forces-setting-up-cyberwar-unit--/112595
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2009, 12:00:17 PM »

I thought that was rather interesting.

I listened to Marcus J. Ranum (CEO of Tenable, makers of Nessus) Hack in the Box talk about Cyberwar is Bullsh*t (google for details, it is NSFW so I won't post a link). Where he made case that it is not a viable attack mechanism. He also posted a follow up in the Tenable Blog about his thoughts on the subject (http://blog.tenablesecurity.com/2009/02/afterbites-cyberwar-hypewatch.html).

I personally feel that this has been a long time in coming. I can't believe that this type of thing wasn't already going on surreptitiously in multiple agencies in most governments. I don't know about the actually attack mechanism since an attack would kill your uplink, but the espionage piece has got to be there.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2009, 09:59:01 PM »

I listened to Marcus J. Ranum (CEO of Tenable, makers of Nessus) Hack in the Box talk about Cyberwar is Bullsh*t (google for details, it is NSFW so I won't post a link). Where he made case that it is not a viable attack mechanism.

Hrmm I don't agree with that either. Neither, it seems, do many governments and a heck of alot of DoD contractors who are scrambling to get a piece of the cyberwarfare pie.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 04:59:39 PM »

After reading the blog posting at http://blog.tenablesecurity.com/2009/02/afterbites-cyberwar-hypewatch.html, I have to say I disagree completely with Ranum's feelings on so-called "cyber warfare".

Completely forgetting about the covert aspects that everyone must believe are ongoing, having an overt capability provides some strategic advantage.  The overt ability will never be as damaging (as far as I'm concerned) as the covert capability, but if you need to execute an attributable attack you have to have something to attribute it to.  I think that's a key point missing from the post and it really the prime "value added" point of the capability.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 07:46:35 PM »

And just look at the business in Estonia in 2007. He may not believe in the reality of these sorts of attacks, but it sure looked to be pretty effective to me.
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