The Ethical Hacker Network - Another new member intro

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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 08:19:35 AM »

Quote from: BillV on August 07, 2008, 09:00:53 PM

It's a much more well-rounded certification than it used to be

That may be the case, but until it loses its stigma with hiring managers, is it really worth anything? (understanding that any training/education is obviously good for you)


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2008, 01:53:23 PM »

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That may be the case, but until it loses its stigma with hiring managers, is it really worth anything? (understanding that any training/education is obviously good for you)

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I guess we have to hope CompTIA does their part of promoting it properly Undecided

Seeing as how the [new] objectives are now 2 years old, I'm not sure how far it'll make it.


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2008, 01:07:35 AM »

Quote from: BillV on August 01, 2008, 02:57:46 PM

Nope, you certainly don't need to be an "enterprise developer" in any language. More so like you have stated... that you can look at the code and understand it well enough to determine what's going on and where the security holes are.

So, for the PHP example, when you see something like...

Code:

You would know that we quite obviously have a problem. I also don't mean that you need to know 'every' language either.

Also, going along with your 'studying for A+' idea and wanting to get into something... you may also want to have a look at the Microsoft MCDST (Desktop Support Technician). You can study for the exam for FREE directly though Microsoft with their E-Learning site...

https://www.microsoftelearning.com/eLearning/offerDetail.aspx?offerPriceId=54989

Good luck

BillV

Just wanted to say that this is very great advise for anybody wanting in the security field. I work in the profession and several months back I was contacted by our programming department when their website was a victim of SQL Injection.

First, they didn't realize how it happened and secondly wanted to know how to fix it. The site was built with ASP and I was asked to look at the code and help them find the security hole.

So, to the OP, if you plan on working in the profession, you kind of have to be a jack of all trades when it comes to security. If you plan on Freelancing, you can specialize in certain fields of security, but in most cases, an employer expects you know how to fix any security problem once you get CEH, ECSA, LPT or some other security cert by your name. Just be prepared for that.


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2008, 03:53:58 AM »

Quote from: $w33p3R on August 09, 2008, 01:07:35 AM

First, they didn't realize how it happened

Unfortunately I'm seeing this far too often lately with developers.

A site (or several) get hit with an (often automated) SQL injection attack and the 'fix' is to roll the database back to a clean state. Then get confused when the same thing happens less than a week later (lather, rinse, repeat...). People seem intent on fixing the symptom rather than the cause where web-site infecction is involved.

I've also seen cases of otherwise secure coders cut&pasting code from another source without checking it cuts mustard from a security perspective


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2008, 09:55:35 AM »

Nothing wrong with finding a DB vulnerable to this. The problem is that they (DBA, SA, NA) don't know that they don't know how to fix it. So instead of asking the question, it's easier to just roll back to the last backup. Which as RR pointed out, leaves them open for round 2. got to love the admins....


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 01:02:49 PM »

Thanks again for all the help with this guys, but i am having some trouble finding info about setting up a hack box/what kind of things i could do with one.

I am slowly buying parts to rebuild my computer (getting stuff as 24 hour sales pop up, waiting for price drops, etc...) and i am thinking i will turn my current computer into a hack box. Can someone link me to anything useful?


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2008, 03:54:36 PM »

Anyone want to lend a hand here? What should i be looking to accomplish when building a hack box? Should i just throw some spare parts together, put *nix on it and network into everything else at home? Then what?

Sorry if it seems like a 'duh' question, but i really do mean whats next?


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 04:26:19 PM »

Any box can be a hackbox really.
As Linux is not really hungry on resources, it doesnt ask for to much, but I prefer to have a reasonable amount of memory for number crunching.


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2008, 11:42:28 AM »

A good processor and a decent amount of memory will help. All of our boxes here run on Linux. As dale pointed out, Linux runs light freeing more system resources for what you want to do. there are also many tools out there written just for just for Linux. Aircrack -ng for instance can be compiled to run on Windows, but the developer basically said that you are on your own for the required drivers for Windows. Good luck and happy hunting.


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 04:21:20 PM »

Alright guys, i have setup (through my college) a job shadow. We have not hashed out the details, but it should be within the next month. They are trying to find someone in the info sec field that is willing to allow me to shadow them for a day or three, but i might end up following around a network admin (admins often wear the security hat in a smaller business right?) If i end up with someone not specificly in the security field, but is knowledgable about this topic what kind of questions should i be thinking about? I guess a better way to ask this question would be, what do you wish you asked about before you got your job in the field?

Also, in trying to find someone suitable what should the advisors helping me with this (and me as well) be asking about the person involved? If a info sec person is not someone i can find what would be the next best thing?


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Re: Another new member intro

« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2008, 10:32:13 AM »

Definitely looki for an admin if there are no security guys around. But don't just focus on the network admins either. Look for a good SA to shadow. Ask them to show you any of the security built into whatever system they are an admin on. Unix type machines have several feature like a shadow file or a host.deny file. Ask them to show you wys to secure the box or if they know of any ways around the security in place. If a Windows SA, talk about the hashes, LM vs NTLM. Any competent SA should be able to help you out there. If you want any more info on what you could look for, do a Google search for DISA STIGS ro just DISA STIG. These are guidelines from the federal government for securing netowrk computers. There are also guides available from NIST.

Oh, just thoughtof this: Do you have a clearance? Without this, you shadow oportunities may be limited. Good luck.


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