Hi Don

I am interested in CPTS or any other certification which does not need the Training pre-requisite. I want to go for self study mode. The CEH is not very difficult. As you have done CISSP, it should be a easy exam. A good exposure to basic security concepts is very helpfull. I am not sure for CPTS on how difficult it is. I think we should explore on exams/certifications, which does not have training pre-requisite as the training is many times a costly affair.

so for CTPS, I am in the group.

Thanks

Hey, I'm in, too.

To user CEH -- NEVER EVER say an exam is easy; you know what will happen. Having too much confidence walking in to an exam may spell disaster. A lot of work went into creating these exams, I like to give them the respect they deserve. Consider them a challenge, yes, you maybe one of the people out there that do good at taking exams, but you need hands-on exp. for practically ALL exams on the market these days. Just some advice from little old test taker, me.

Don -- Yeah, sure, I can post questions for the threads, I just want to make it clear that I'm using the "older' version 3, before EC_Council came out with their "version 4" in May 05. Don't know if there's major difference between the two, but I want to make sure everyone knows it..

 

I'm in for the study group, but I'm not sure when I'll take the exam. That would depend on approval from EC-Council.

BTW Oyle, you can check the Version 4 Course Outline, to see the differnces between what you have and what should be studied.

OK, I checked the ver 4 details off the ECCouncil page; the "Module" headings ("Module" = "Chapter", as far as I'm concenred).

 Major differences are as follows:

*Module 17 in my books are "Novell Hacking"; in the current version, Module 17 is "Physical Security".
*Module 1 in my book is "Introduction to Ethical Hacking"; in the current version, Module 1 is "Ethics and Legality"
*In my books, Module 19 is "IDS, Firewalls and Honeypots"; in the current version, Module 19 is "Evading IDS, Firewalls and Honeypots"
* In my books, all there is is 21 Modules, the last being Cryptography. In the new version, there is a Module 22, "Penetration Testing". 

So I'd say have a handle on 90% of the current courseware.

It looks to me as if they have some more subject matter under each heading, but I think my courseware is still pretty compatible to what what is now "current".

I worry though, that including the CEH in with the CPTS might confuse some people. My courseware has 21 modules ("chapters"), the last one being on cryptography, which I happen to think is reeeeaaally cool stuff. It's my favorite Module.

That sounds good, but what do you mean, "move on" to the CPTS? I suppose there are some people out there that would rather do CPTS instead  of / before / in place of the CEH. Why not just have the CEH and CPTS run concurrently alongside each other?? But is there anyone that wants to volunteer/moderate for the CPTS?? I don't know of anybody on the board here already a CPTS willing to volunteer/moderate. Not to say there isn't any, but the name of the domain is ethicalhacker.net not ethicalhackerandpentester.net Just trying to avoid some confusion here. Heck, I'm starting to get confused on this. 

This sounds like a bad habit I have of making everything harder than it needs to be.

Something else to consider is that as the owner of the entire site, I am looking at a bigger picture. I hope that we will not be the only study group to form here at EH-Net. Therefore, each group must have their own name. Since we're the first, I named us the Charter Group. Looking even further into the future, each study group may want to concentrate on different topics at different times in their careers. So we could have:

Charter Study Group - Pen Testing
Charter Study Group - Forensics

I think most of us in the Charter Group want to study pen testing as a subject and possibly get more than one cert in that subject. If we only want to study for a single cert, we can rename the group:

Charter Study Group - CEH
Charter Study Group - CPTS
Charter Study Group - CCE

... and so on.

Hope this is clearer.

Don