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February 26, 2008, 08:32:00 AM »
Some hardware hackers have just found a way to hack encryption standards. RAM data lasts for a few minutes after shutdown, so the hackers exploited that. read the full story here
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/why-disk-encryption-may-not-be-enough-247012
It's interesting.
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February 26, 2008, 09:12:50 AM »
iSmith,
The problems of RAM retention are nothing new - this has been known of for a while. Only recently has proof-of-concept been made public.
It is very dependant on at attacker gaining physical access to a machine soon after shutdown and either being able to freeze the memory or transfer it to a test machine pretty quickly. It would be unlikely an attacker would want to use the original host machine for the memory recovery as some BIOSes clear the memory at system startup and booting an OS, however small, would overwrite some memory.
So, if you're worried about this, ensure you have a second boot partition/floppy/cd/usb that has a memory purge application or sit and wait a couple of hours for the RAM to dissapate fully.
Related, has anyone thought about modding a DIMM holder to provide a voltage and refresh clock in order to transport the memory and have it retain it's content indefinitley? Who needs liquid nitrogen? Maybe this should be in the forensic thread...
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February 26, 2008, 09:58:52 AM »
They were able to use this technique to crack Nintendo's encryption for the Wii. See the topic about it it started by don.
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I always thought computers were not safe.
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Quote from: JobMatchNow on June 12, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
I always thought computers were not safe.
They're not...they're evil, vile machines. As your attorney, I advise you to never use one again.
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Quote from: oneeyedcarmen on June 12, 2008, 09:59:40 AM
They're not...they're evil, vile machines. As your attorney, I advise you to never use one again.
Not even to check the EH Net forums?
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An old professor of mine told me... "If you want a secure computer, make sure it's not plugged into ethernet.... and fill the room with cement." That's about the only way to get a 100% secure computer, that's not broken.
Computers are fun though, must... have... computers.
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Quote from: g00d_4sh on June 13, 2008, 03:39:20 PM
An old professor of mine told me... "If you want a secure computer, make sure it's not plugged into ethernet.... and fill the room with cement."
I can't vouch for the authenticity as I'm too young (thank god) but apparently that's how M$ got NT4 through it's security standards: removed network cables, floppy drives, any IO device (keyboard/mouse/etc.) and locked the door. 100% secure...
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Quote from: RoleReversal on June 15, 2008, 03:32:33 PM
apparently that's how M$ got NT4 through it's security standards
That is a really scary thought.
Had to remove everything but the processor to make it secure.
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Heh... most people don't realize that physical access to a machine... makes it inherently insecure. If it can be booted... it can be booted onto something it wasn't ment to be, with enough playing around. That's when I found a public kiosk in one of the buildings had it's USB slots accessable, AND the power on/off button accessable.. I was rather pissed. Then I realized it didn't go into my LAN, but the LAN of another department... then I wasn't quite so pissed. But I did make mention of it.
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Quote from: Bogwitch on February 26, 2008, 09:12:50 AM
It would be unlikely an attacker would want to use the original host machine for the memory recovery as some BIOSes clear the memory at system startup and booting an OS, however small, would overwrite some memory.
Yes this is a danger, but you would need to either know what type of ram was in the machine in advance or have several machines handy to transfer the ram to. I would think that this would also increase the possibility of heating the ram up enough to lose the contents in the process.
Quote from: Bogwitch on February 26, 2008, 09:12:50 AM
So, if you're worried about this, ensure you have a second boot partition/floppy/cd/usb that has a memory purge application or sit and wait a couple of hours for the RAM to dissapate fully.
You would need to do this every time you left the machine, which sounds like a bit much. Physically restricting access to the ram might help.
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