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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 09:31:20 AM »

Sounds like a good route to go. You really can't go wrong with a CCNA.

As for advice, I'm certainly no career expert and I'm still new to the field myself, but I'll offer up some suggestions as best I can related to what I've seen and run into. Plus, without knowing more of your background and what you're doing now, it makes it a little harder.

For the CISSP, no need to rush it. It's a well known and respected certification and it'll be there when you're ready.

As many will say, the Security+ is a great entry certification. It's also well known (for being entry-level) and is a great way to show interest. Depending on your background/current experience, this may be the first one you want to go after.

After that, it's up to you and what you want to learn. If you're really interested in earning the C|EH or OSCP, then go for it. If you're wanting something to help your career, I would suggest going for one of the SANS certifications (whether it's GSEC, GCIH, or GCIA). Why? They currently have more respect than the others and are more likely to help you move forward.

The CEH and OSCP are both good courses, but the CEH isn't on the same professional level as SANS and the OSCP is still a bit new (but is definitely growing).

It all ultimately comes down to experience though. If you're already working somewhere where you can get a hand in security, do it. The experience you gain is invaluable. As you'll hear Don and others say, "certifications are a good measure of a baseline of knowledge." No certification can fully compare to in-the-field experience. Some organizations are so large and so separated, that you may not have the opportunity to get involved with security aspects, and that's where earning those first couple certifications will help you stand out and break into the field. If you've already got the ability to be involved, then start building that experience first and look to the certifications as a supplement.

Hope that all made sense and helps out at least a little.

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 09:41:20 AM »

Bill,

thank you very much for the advice, it has definitely helped me to better understanding an external view of how others can see the various certs.

As far as personal experience goes, I've said in another thread that I've been interested in computer security from a young age. But wasn't planning on going that route until I ended up in a computer science course at college cause IT clashed with maths (wanted to be an accountant, don't ask why Sad ). Turned out fixing my Dads computer and controlling the Logo turtle from a BBC B Micro actually turned out useful.

I've just graduate University with a 1st class honours degree in computing for industry (embedded processors, real-time systems, robotics, etc.) and have 3 years experience working in a security oriented IT company where I have had the opportunity to influence systems and procedures in place as part of the ISO/IEC 27001 standard certification.

From handling several (becoming numerous) incidents for my employer and clients I know (I think) that I have good ability in this field but would like some formal training and 'pieces of paper' to be able to prove this ability to both my current and future employers.

Sorry for the life story and thanks again for the advice.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 09:53:57 AM »

Bill,

Thanks for the advice. I'm looking to make the career change and that is why I'm working on my certs. I liked the Official guide, but really found the Exam Prep guide to fit me best. Thanks for all the help.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 10:09:27 AM »

Bill,

Thanks for the advice. I'm looking to make the career change and that is why I'm working on my certs. I liked the Official guide, but really found the Exam Prep guide to fit me best. Thanks for all the help.

They're very similar. The Official guide follows along with the objectives of the v5 exam very well, but doesn't go as deep into some of the technical concepts that the ExamPrep book does. That's typically why I recommend both.

Again congrats! Will you be pursuing the ECSA and LPT? If you have the opportunity to attend the training at Hacker Halted, the instructor (Larry Detar) is an incredible teacher.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 12:13:24 PM »


If you haven't already, read the Official Review Guide.

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I've read the book a total of four times already because of your comments.  It   is relatively short, and fairly interesting.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2008, 12:34:17 PM »

Great! It really is helpful when studying for the exam. As I mentioned before, it doesn't go as deep as the courseware or the ExamPrep book, but it does a good job of covering the exam objectives.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2008, 10:54:59 PM »

Yeah, I'm thinking real hard about those Bill. But it will have to wait until after I've made the move. I know that I can't make this years Hacker Halted, but will be shooting for future ones. Thanks for all the help.
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