The Ethical Hacker Network - CEH Recertification (valid for 2 years)

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2007, 01:35:35 PM »

Wow, yeah, that's pretty lame of EC-Council. We'll see if it sticks though. There definitely won't be any happy people about that once they hear of this. I guess I wouldn't mind re-testing, but they should give some sort of massive discount. And they better give some sort of discount on the updated courseware materials as well. Seems like EC-Council is just getting greedy and saying it's all about the $$$


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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2007, 03:01:07 PM »

Wow I can't believe it. I just thought if you attended at least one seminar or conference it would be enough to maintain your cert. This is just damn to expensive. I was considering studying for the CHFI but I changed my mine. IMO, it's not worth it!!


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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2007, 10:35:56 PM »

Well, after looking at it a little more, I do see a way through it. They do offer 5 points for each webinar. They are putting together 1 webinar/month (and the next is by EH-Net member Dan Hoffman) which would give you 60 points in a year. So, if you attend each webinar (which is what? An hour a month?) you would have your 120points for a 3 year time limit completed in 2 years. So then you could either take a year off, or get a headstart on the next round. And I believe those are free (for now).

Now, I am curious if I have to pay $50/certificate/year and whether that includes the LPT, or if they will still charge $250 or whatever per year for that one.

At least according to this outline, we have 3 years between renewals instead of 2 like was originally thought.


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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2007, 11:16:24 PM »

Well, I didn't know EC-Council will be providing webinar each month but looking at their website you're right.


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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2007, 11:55:40 PM »

Quote from: blackazarro on June 11, 2007, 11:16:24 PM

Well, I didn't know EC-Council will be providing webinar each month but looking at their website you're right.

Yeah, I mean.. maybe I'm just trying too hard to find something to ease my mind a little about it, but that doesn't seem too bad.

I still don't want to pay $50 per certificate each year. And probably a higher fee/year for the LPT.


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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 10:37:09 AM »

This was posted in the EC-Council portal...

* $50 maintenance fee per certification.
* The articles can be similar to that what you read on various security portals/magazines. For example visit www.computerworld.com for more information on how a technical article is written.
* 120 points/certification need to be earned
* EC-Council will begin its ECE points system effective 1 January 2008. EC-Council certified professionals who earn ECE points from now till 31 December 2007 will be able to register these points in 2008.

So.. I'm thinking that as an example if I had 3 EC-Council certifications, I would have to pay $150/year maintenance fees, and would need to accumulate 360 points every 3 years. That's a bit ridiculous.

The articles thing is referring to the other way to earn points, by submitting articles to the portal @ 25 points each. Which really could add up quite quickly if you submitted one article a month (300 points for the year) or even every other month (150 points).


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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 01:28:10 PM »

I don't know... this is outrages. I don't think I'll be getting another cert from EC-Council. It's just to expensive. Too bad Sad


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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 09:08:57 PM »

I guess we'll just have to sit tight and wait. Let's see how things progress and change as we get closer to the official release date. Here's the post from the EC-Council portal:

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Hello Everyone,

I am pleased to note that the new ECE points system has generated
a lot of interest.

On the outset, let me make the intention clear to everyone.

The EC-Council Continuing Education Points system is not something
that EC-Council as created to make live more difficult for it's
members.

As EC-Council has become internationally accepted as a world leader
in Information Security Certification, it needs to move towards
attaining the ANSI/ISO 17024 standards and as such it is imperative
that we meet international certification standards.

This is not a revenue generating exercise. This is a continuing
education exercise. Some of our certified members carry the CEH
title. However, they passed the CEH V 1.0 !

Clearly, they could not match the expertise of a properly educated
and certified member with CEH V 5!

In addition to that, all of the major government agencies that we
work with require certification authorities to impose the credits
system.

Agencies want to know that the certification means something in the
longer term....and that the people they hire have the relevant
knowledge continuously.

The list of criteria posted on the Website is not an exhaustive list. The
webinars are free and for the benefits to our certified
members.However members must continue to learn....just like the
legal, medical and accounting professions.

This list will grow. We are communicating with other certification
bodies to have an exchange program.That is one of the reason's why
the launch date for this is Jan 2008 and not immediately.

I have received a lot of commendation from certified members who
are pleased to note that EC-Council has embarked on a crusade to
implement the free webinars for the benefit of the security
community. This is not meant to be a forum for members to
exclusively collect ECE points.

This is just one of the methods. Our desire is that members will take
this to carry on the process of learning. This process will grow and
when members contribute articles , we hope to grow our knowledge
base collectively by learning from the experiences of each other.

We hope that some of you will also speak in some of the EC-Council
Security Summit's that take place all over the world.

You will see that the speakers are all vendor neutral and are
speaking about the latest and most relevant issues that benefit you.

The next speaker is Dan Hoffman (author of Blackjacking).

I look forward in seeing you all there.

Thank You,

Regards,

Jay Bavisi
President,
EC-Council


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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 10:13:14 PM »

"This is not a revenue generating exercise. This is a continuing
education exercise. Some of our certified members carry the CEH
title. However, they passed the CEH V 1.0 !

Clearly, they could not match the expertise of a properly educated
and certified member with CEH V 5!"
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ok since no one else thru up the BS flag i will.

to say that anyone that took their test in the past isnt at the same level .of someone who just took their training is a bold statement. i dont how you can prove or disprove that but i know plenty of old CEH's that i would put my money on against someone who just got out of CEH training any day.

while i applaud the move and i think its a move in the right direction to give more legitimacy to the cert, i think that statement is BS.

are they saying that the first 4 versions of their cert are crap? that their training was crap? that the first 4 tests are crap?

since taking the training is NOT a requirement to sit for the cert (yet) taking and passing the cert shows that you possess the required knowledge.

if they want to go that route then just decree that everything less that v5 is null and void and be done with it, take the hit and move on with their new legitimate cert. i think they'll do that with people that refuse to pay every year to keep a CEH certification or if they require a retest for people less than vX. One way or the other they have to address the issue that at first the cert was lifetime and now its not and what to do about that.

anyway, should be interesting to see where they go with it.


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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2007, 08:43:32 PM »

Finally some good news has come out regarding the re-certification/education points....

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Hello Members,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hanan Wagie and I am the newly appointed EC-Council's Certification Manager. My main role is to handle any issue related to any of our members' certifications.

We are so glad that you are voicing out your concerns. Your objective contribution will help EC-Council to continually enhance its services and satisfy its people. To address these concerns and similar issues, EC-Council has formed a Certification Committee that will post its responses and decisions on the portal within the next few days. Please note that I will keep you posted with the link.

Just to share with you a few but critical decisions......We are glad to announce that the Certification Committee has decided that $50 is ECE annual maintenance fees per MEMBER not certification. Moreover, 120 points should be earned every three years by each MEMBER and not each certification!

Isn't that great!

Your objective contributions will always add value. So please don't hesitate voicing them out. If any member requires advice on his/her specific case, please directly email me at <certmanager@eccouncil.org>

Thank you & kind regards

Hanan Wagie
Certification Manager
EC-Council
certmanager@eccouncil.org

That's definitely much better than $50 and 120 points per certification. Although, I'd imagine that means that for the LPT you probably still have to pay that higher annual fee of $250 (but that'll probably include the $50 for any others hopefully).


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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2007, 02:55:21 PM »

This is absolutley really awful.

I passed my CEH v5 only yesterday and was over the moon, today I feel like I've been ripped off. Why do the CEH <= v4 get away with life certification and we don't. This is a scam and should be reported as such.

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2007, 08:04:33 AM »

All CEH certificate holders will have to follow the new guidelines. This goes into effect for all CEH'ers Jan. 1, 2008.


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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2007, 03:48:55 PM »

This DOES Suck. I passed my CEH in Dec 2004, so I beleive it is version 2.0 or thereabouts.

Whenever I mention the CEH in an interview, or it comes up in an interview's conversation, I usually get a snicker or a chuckle. "CEH?? What's THAT? ha ha ha ha". People have never heard of CEH, and the "Hacker" part usually scares them off. I'm proud of it, I worked hard to pass my exam on the 3rd time. But the CEH has not gotten me inside the door to any blazing hot tech companies here in Cleveland. I've been underemployed and unemployed since I finished my MCSE in Dec. 2001. Angry

Now fighting the cancer, I don't care about finding work, I've given up on looking for a job. Despite that I had an interview for a "Network Security Analyst" at NASA Glenn Research last week.

$50.00 recert "maintainence fee" Huh

I still can't afford to buy a flat=screen monitor.

I'm still going to proudly proclaim I'm a CEH, but until my situation changes drastically for the better, I don't care. To my knowledge, still the only diff between my version of the CEH and the new version is the last chapter on Pen testing, correct?

I once found a website that had posted the ENTIRE CEH ver 2.0 courseware online in Adobe format. Wish I could remember what that site was. This back when I was working with the CEH study group. Maybe if I still have it bookmarked, I can dig it up. They MAY have the new version 5 courseware up by now, that would be kewl. I was asking Don about just posting this stuff to the CEH study group forum to save me oodles of typing, and it was decided I shouldn't, because of copyrights, and everything. So I didn't.

Shame on EC-Council. Their customer support has always been lacking, IMHO. They had BETTER at least improve THAT, if we have to jump through all these hoops.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2007, 11:13:00 AM »

hi..all

i'm new member in this forum, and i'm so glad to meet all senior hackers in here.....

this day i just pass the exam CEH v5, but actually before this day, i've learnt and been trained the CEH v4 modules. i've just shocked when i read the tittle of the exam "CEH v5"... Shocked

i'm concern enough with this topic, but my teacher said there is no validity with this certification... but i don't know which is true.

i can understand, there are few senior hackers already took the exam from CEH v1,2,etc...

but anyway the important things, we still can communicate and discuss any new security update, though there are many senior members have CEH v1,2,3,etc exam, or CEHv5 like me and other members...
but we are still united in this forum...


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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2007, 04:12:12 AM »

I'm going to stick my neck on the block here and say that I'm all for recertification. For something like CEH to be taken seriously in the industry it should be treated in the same way as other professional certification and affiliations and periodic recertification is not unique to CEH. It's important to demonstrate that your skills are fresh and current when looking for gainful employment.

The devil is in the detail i.e. how often you must recertifiy, the cost and the benefit of doing so. Even if you do not recertify there is no reason why you cannot state that you have passed the qualification at a given date so I don't see this as a loss of value for existing holders.

Regards,
Jim


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