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1  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / CHFI - Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator / Re: CHFI/CCFE training at Infosec, wanna go with me on: November 10, 2010, 02:18:43 PM
I would be very interested in going, but I don't feel I meet the prerequisite knowledge. I'm just starting on my infosec journey.
2  Resources / Career Central / Re: School now? on: November 05, 2010, 10:01:42 AM
SephStorm,

You seem extremely motivated to get your certifications and build experience right now. It also seems like you've been extremely successful with that.  Studying for certifications is just as intense as studying any other subject in school. Since you have misgivings about math, and english isn't motivating you, I honestly believe you're going to risk burning out if you try to pursue your BS.

Given your situation, I'd take full advantage of the co-workers, lab, and the plans of your superiors. Keep moving forward with your certs.

But take my advise with a grain of salt, my own BA is in Literary Studies. It's nice to have a degree, but it's my experience I rely on.
3  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: Registration Suggestions on: November 04, 2010, 07:26:22 PM
If you're having trouble with meeting the password requirements, using a pass phrase instead might help.

Grab a line from a poem, song, or movie....

Example:

"In the dead vast and middle of the night."
- William Shakespeare, Hamlet 1.2

WSitdvamotn12

or, if you're a lit geek like me...
1iTdVaMdOtN2

Example 2:

"A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away"

A2ltaig2fa


4  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / General Certification / Re: I survived Net+ and Sec+ and maybe you can too! on: November 01, 2010, 05:14:30 PM
Don,
Thank you, and I hope so.

MaXe,
Excellent advice, and I will strive to heed it. How would you recommend someone who has never benefited from self-examination begin that process?

My experience with Net+
Study Material:
Mike Meyers' CompTIA Network+ Certification Passport. Third Edition.

In my arrogance, I felt I had plenty of experience to take the Net+ test with little to no formal preparation. Fortunately, I was right. I've worked help desk and desk side support on-and-off for about 10 years. I never bothered to certify before because, to be honest, I never intended to stay in tech.

The Passport series was produced in order to create crammed little guides that had just the required information. All the fluff and extra explanation cut out, I don't really see this being useful for someone who isn't just using it as a refresher.


My experience with Security+
Study Material:
CompTIA Security+ All-in-One Exam Guide, Second Edition (Exam SY0-201)
CompTIA Security+: Get Certified Get Ahead: SY0-201 Study Guide
TrainSignal CompTIA Security+ Training

My experience with Security was a bit more limited; so, I wasn't quite as arrogant. And, I think perhaps I went a little overboard. I started with the All-in-One Guide and TrainSignal videos. Then, I felt I was almost ready, but wanted to make sure. So, I picked up the Get Certified Get Ahead book. In total, I crammed for a little over a month then took the test.

Out of those, if I could only choose one, it'd be the Get Ahead Get Certified guide. The TrainSignal can be pricy if you don't have assistance from your employer, that and I find training videos tend to be too slow paced - and at best slightly more helpful than annoying. The All-in-One is absolute information overload. It breaks down the cryptography explaining the formulas behind each type... in my naivety, I panicked and started forcing myself to memorize the formulas. I'm sure that'll pay off eventually, but right now, it's overkill.



See, I told you that my feedback on how I certified would be boring. But don't despair! I've prepared something to help out those who haven't had the benefit of living through my mistakes.


A better way of going about Certifications, using Net+ as an example

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in pedagogy. This is not the best answer for all people, it'd just probably be the best for me, so I'm sharing it with you as a starting place.

Get to know the certification objectives
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Network_Plus_Certification/Objectives

No, don't just glance at them and say "uh huh," read them.
Better, don't just read them. Write them down, and answer them without reference.

Example:
1.7 Compare the characteristics of wireless communication standards.
Ummm, lets see there are a, b, g, and n... I've never really encountered a, so I'm not sure. B is 11Mb/s, G is 54mb/s, and I don't know about n.

Great! You've left out a lot of information, but taken the first step.

But wait, I can hear you whine, "~but there are 35 objectives in Net+!"

True, but I didn't say to do them all in one sitting. And you do want to get the most out of your expensive study guide(s) right? That's why you explore the objectives before you even crack a book. Take a week or two doing a little each day.

"~but I'm a complete n00b! I have no idea what I'm doing!"

Ok, check out a study guide from the library, read it - don't study too hard, just familiarize yourself with the terminology and ideas. Then take a look at the objectives. After that, get a different study guide, one you can write in.
5  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / General Certification / I survived Net+ and Sec+ and maybe you can too! on: October 29, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
I’ve been lurking EH.net for a while; creepily peeking in the windows when the lights were out. Hoping to gain a bit more insight as I pursue my own path into infosec.  The more I’ve seen, the more I’ve been impressed with the overall helpfulness of the community. Through the advice and experience you’ve all shared, I’ve established a workable plan.

I’ve noticed a lot of n00bs like myself come looking for their first step. Having, so recently taken mine, I suspect I’m in a place where I can offer a little guidance.

I’m making a couple of assumptions:

1)   You’re after knowledge, not just pieces of paper to get you past the clueless lady in HR.

2)   You’re willing to put in a little extra time to make sure you truly grok the information.

So, here goes.

Everyone has their own way of preparing for certifications, but for those who’ve never really had to test before I offer some of my own general techniques.

#1 Use multiple sources.

If you approach it critically, it breaks you out of the eyes glazed over rote memorization trap.   Espcially when studying for Security+ I came across contradictions in the details “Bluejacking is more serious than bluesnarfing” vs. “Bluesnarfing is more serious than bluejacking.” This leads to general bit of advice #2.

#2 Learn the facts and best practices, but recognize you assign value based on your own inclination and experience.

Seeing the disagreements between the professionals in the small stuff gave me the foothold I needed to start forming my own opinions. I’m a lot better at maintaining facts that support my own opinions – this helps. The study guides are not sacred texts. Part of the benefit of using multiple sources is seeing where disagreement happens within the field.

#3 Find ways to play with the information.

If you ever start to see the text of a book as “Blah blah blah blah blah,” then you need take a break. If it still looks like that, after you get back, you’ve built some kind of wall. The trick to getting past walls is to find creative ways to trick yourself into wanting to get to the other side.

Example: Sure you want to be the pentester of l33t d00m, but your inner-self is tired of reading about disaster recovery planning. Grab your SO or a friend and tell them you’d like to play a game, and they get to be God. See! They’ve already been tricked into helping you. Now you tell them that you have a company, and you’d like them to smite it, one disaster at a time. As they come up with new and interesting ways to destroy the business, you figure out ways to keep things going, or get them back up and running.

Now, I’m sure anyone actually trying to use this is going to want to know the boring stuff, like what books/training I used to pass the tests. And I’ll throw up a few reviews covering that later.

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