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136  Features / /root / Re: Ed's Windows Command line kung-fu on: May 15, 2008, 01:19:32 PM
Great reference from Ed.  Thanks Vijay!

With all of our fancy tools that we use day in and day out, it's not too hard to forget about some of the simple built-in aspects.
137  Resources / News from the Outside World / Rootkit for Cisco Routers on: May 15, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
Excerpted from Network World

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A security researcher has developed malicious rootkit software for Cisco's routers, a development that has placed increasing scrutiny on the routers that carry the majority of the Internet's traffic.

Sebastian Muniz, a researcher with Core Security Technologies, developed the software, which he will unveil on May 22 at the EuSecWest conference in London.

Now the question is, how is Cisco going to react?  Are they going to go after Mr. Muniz and sue him for breaking the EULA like they did a few years ago with Mike Lynn when he hacked one of their boxes at Black Hat?  Or do they give him a big ol' thank you for helping them out by not disclosing his source code?

Really, from the public's standpoint, given the negative press that Cisco's getting (undeservedly) for the counterfeit hardware out there, how should they play this?
138  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: Which certification is more Valued??? on: May 14, 2008, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Cryptid_maniac
i herd ppl say that the EC council exams are very static and therefore it is very easy to clear them and this in tern has resulted in decline of the certificate value in the Industry..

The EC Council has a new version of the course and exam, which they (and those certified) hope will prevent that decline.  Check out Don's interview of Haja Mohideen and Chuck Swanson for some insight as far as the C|EH is concerned.

139  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: New member introduction on: May 13, 2008, 10:44:50 PM
Welcome aboard!  Just jump right in, it's a pretty friendly bunch
140  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Ethics of government sponsored hacking on: May 13, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
well murder is pretty much wrong in every country but we still have state sponsored assassinations and those seem to be ok.

but, of course WE don't do that  Roll Eyes
141  EH-Net / ChicagoCon 2008s / Re: EH-Con on: May 13, 2008, 10:42:39 PM
I will be there, hopefully on time, Friday afternoon.   I am looking forward to meeting everyone.  I will be the geeky looking one. Cool

I'm sure you won't be the only one!  Cheesy

Wish I could be there with you guys!

dont be late! the tiger team guys talk at 3 and i'm right after...talk about pressure.

Good luck Chris!  I've never heard you speak, but have been reading your stuff on here and LSO for a few years (thanks to goof-ball rum-head j0e) and am sure you'll be great!  Looking forward to hopefully meeting you at Defcon.
142  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Air Wi-Fi on: May 13, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
If the airline gets a cut of the cell charges, it magically doesn't interfere with the instruments...
143  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Funny story of stupid criminals on: May 13, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
cracks me up they didn't wipe the software on the machine, before popping it back on the net.

there's a reason that they're petty thieves...not smart enough to do anything else
144  Resources / News from the Outside World / Funny story of stupid criminals on: May 13, 2008, 09:22:28 AM
Great story about how a young lady found her stolen laptop...

Very smart of her.
145  Resources / News from the Outside World / Air Force Colonel Wants to Build a Military Botnet on: May 13, 2008, 09:09:43 AM
Col. Charles W. Williamson III, the staff judge advocate, Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency, has suggested that the Air Force, US DoD, and even the civilian government agencies create their own botnet on which to stage DDoS attacks.

Quote from: Col. Williamson
The U.S. would not, and need not, infect unwitting computers as zombies. We can build enough power over time from our own resources.

Rob Kaufman, of the Air Force Information Operations Center, suggests mounting botnet code on the Air Force’s high-speed intrusion-detection systems. Defensively, that allows a quick response by directly linking our counterattack to the system that detects an incoming attack. The systems also have enough processing speed and communication capacity to handle large amounts of traffic.

Next, in what is truly the most inventive part of this concept, Lt. Chris Tollinger of the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency envisions continually capturing the thousands of computers the Air Force would normally discard every year for technology refresh, removing the power-hungry and heat-inducing hard drives, replacing them with low-power flash drives, then installing them in any available space every Air Force base can find. Even though those computers may no longer be sufficiently powerful to work for our people, individual machines need not be cutting-edge because the network as a whole can create massive power.

After that, the Air Force could add botnet code to all its desktop computers attached to the Nonsecret Internet Protocol Network (NIPRNet). Once the system reaches a level of maturity, it can add other .mil computers, then .gov machines.

His entire article in the Armed Forces Journal can be read here.

In response to the Colonel's article, Kevin Poulsen of Wired magazine wrote this article

In the article, in addition to calling it "the most lunatic idea to come out of the miliary since the gay bomb," he states:

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Brilliant! The best defensive minds in the country want to build a massive distributed computing system to do nothing  but pump crap into the internet. The article talks about carefully targeting attackers' machines, but this ignores all the intermediate networks between the Air Force and the target, which will have to contend with a flood of garbage packets whenever some cyber Dr. Strangelove decides to go nuclear.

What's next? Air Force 4-1-9 scams? Dot mil phishing attacks? The most disappointing thing about this irresponsible proposal is the tacit admission that our elite cyber warriors can't actually break into an enemy's computer, instead resorting to a brute force attack designed by web defacement script kiddies eight years ago when Apache servers got too hard to hack directly.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the whole thing, though it wouldn't surprise me if this weren't a new idea and No Such Agency had already put one in place Wink 

I do think that Kevin is over-simplifying the issue, though.  No where has Col. Williamson stated that the US government has no other options than to resort to "script kiddie behavior."  The fact that several other countries, particularly that one in Asia...you know with the largest population in the world...have or will have similar tactics in place suggests that we pretty much need to do the same.  Though obviously this is on a different level, I want to liken it to the Cold War arms race.  He with the most nukes wins the war...if we both have them, no one fires them.  In this case, he with the largest botnet wins the war...or prevents it.  Peace through mutual fear.

What say you EHNetters?

P.S. - I think we should run a 419 scam...that could supply the defense budget, thus lowering my taxes  Grin

146  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: How to Hire a White Hat Hacker on: May 12, 2008, 04:01:38 PM
What makes a hacker a white hat hacker?

Please use google before posting any further ridiculous questions.

Too late...he's already hit 7 other threads   Huh
147  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Feel free to hack Microsoft sites on: May 12, 2008, 04:00:12 PM
Why microsoft sites?

Did you read the article that Bogwitch linked to?
148  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Forensics / Re: Forensic test images on: May 12, 2008, 03:45:48 PM
How did you find these site?

Google...try it.  You'll like it.  Wink
149  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: In defense of AVs on: May 09, 2008, 01:07:51 PM
You know what?  Maybe I went a little far with having some fun...and I'm sorry that it had to be at someone's expense...  Embarrassed

I did find your analogy humerous...poop and fart jokes will always make me laugh due to the 12 year old living in my brain. 

Quote from: Mr. Wismer
the only kind of evidence that would conclusively point to av vendors failing to keep up is a growing backlog of undetected malware... some people think the growing numbers of people who get hit with undetected malware while using up-to-date av products or the growing number of malware samples that are undetected at any given time is equivalent to this growing backlog but it isn't...

I wouldn't say that the backlog is EQUIVALENT to the number of people getting hit with undetected malware, but your own arguement pretty much does point out that there is a correllation.

If there is a backlog, which I'm pretty sure that everyone would agree there always will be, there will be undetected malware infecting "protected" systems.  Of course having AV is better than not, but surely you can see how if a company hires more people (as you pointed out) to reduce the backlog of unknown threats, those threats will then be known and hence avoided.  It is a never-ending, viscious cycle, but one that should be approached with a fervor by anyone purporting to sell a product that will protect their clients.

My initial attack/fun-poking was a bit unjustified, but again, really all in fun.  I have since gone back and read more of your blog.  Your issue for McAfee for selling "Total Protection" when there obviously is no such thing, is really the problem that I have with so many security companies.  A problem that leads to very many companies, and even more home users, having a false sense of security.





150  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Kraken Cracked; Now What? on: May 09, 2008, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Ryan Narine's eWeek article the CadillacGolfer referenced
Andrew Hay, product manager at Q1 Labs, a network security management company, said the concept of tampering with a user’s machine without consent, even if it’s to remove malicious software, is “ethically questionable.”

“I couldn’t in good conscience send any command to a machine without the user’s knowledge and approval,” Hay said. “Ethically speaking, we just can’t make that decision regardless of if it’s right or whether it’s the best thing to do for the good of the Internet.”

Andrew is a occasional contributor to EH-Net, and his blog can be found here.

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