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31  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Ruby and Python on: December 10, 2011, 08:27:24 AM
I am looking for good beginning books for both Python and Ruby, I have done research and found these two:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159059519X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596516177/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Has anyone read these?  If so Are they good?  If these are not good what would you suggest are the best books to learn from?
32  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Courses in network pentesting on: December 10, 2011, 06:57:45 AM
Yeah and take your time with the labs, I spent a while in Mod 4 but now everything is automated got some wicked bash scripts :-D.  It will by far be the best class you ever take.
33  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Courses in network pentesting on: December 10, 2011, 06:35:33 AM
+1 OSCP
34  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: Security programs at Universities on: December 10, 2011, 05:30:06 AM
You could start by email the guys over at OSCP, they teach it.  So you must be able to use it for education purposes.
35  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: A sincere plea for NT password hash help on: December 10, 2011, 05:27:58 AM
Did you not ready what xXxKrisxXx  had to say?  "Gaining access to someone's e-mail is illegal in most countries that I know of. You won't be receiving help on this topic from anyone. This isn't a blackhat forum."

We understand life is hard but trying to diminish our site by asking us to do illegal things is not right.
36  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 03:20:56 PM
Claps hands for eth3real
37  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
This is still going?
38  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 11:44:10 AM
I feel someone is trying to defend there actions Wink.
39  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 09:07:31 AM

I understand the law, I just don't agree with it.  Smiley  Personally, I view the combination of absolutely no security on the AP, and the AP offering its services as being authorized.  Similar to being authorized to come in my house if I have the door wide open (no security) and invite you in when you walk by (SSID broadcasts).

I know the difference is technical and not everyone is going to understand how to configure an AP, but that's why they should read the manual, or listen to warnings they get when configuring or connecting to their AP.

So instead of trying to "steal" or borrow in your case, their network why don't you knock on there door and try to educate them. 

I don't view it as stealing or malicious because they are offering a service. And it's not borrowing because they aren't getting it back (they probably wouldn't even notice it missing).  It's simply using a service they offered.  If someone chooses not to shred their trash and they leave it in a public place like on their curb, it's their own fault if someone takes their trash and goes through it.  If someone uses the trash for illegal purposes, or by passes security such as even the most insecure lock in the world to get to the trash or ignores a no trespassing sign, THEN that's a crime.  If someone is broadcasting use of their open wifi to the world, it should be their own fault for not enabling any security and ignoring warnings that it's not secure.

Offering a service?  A service has to be advertised as a service which was post before.  So no its not a service.  

"And it's not borrowing because they aren't getting it back (they probably wouldn't even notice it missing)."  Jelly beans at the candy store are small and the owner would not miss if 10 or 15 were missing, so it makes it right to take 10 to 15 because he would not notice?  See this thing called "morals" tells me its wrong.

" If someone chooses not to shred their trash and they leave it in a public place like on their curb, it's their own fault if someone takes their trash and goes through it.  If someone uses the trash for illegal purposes, or by passes security such as even the most insecure lock in the world to get to the trash or ignores a no trespassing sign, THEN that's a crime."  And if you check with the ISP they will tell you the same thing about using another persons internet Wink.  

"If someone is broadcasting use of their open wifi to the world, it should be their own fault for not enabling any security and ignoring warnings that it's not secure."  Like I stated before they might not understand and it takes "ethical people" to help them out.



Like I've said, there is also the analogy of someone creating a private web page on a website and choosing not to protect it at all and ignoring warnings.  Then the person who sees it advertised (indexed) in google, who has no malicious intentions, and clicks the link and that person should go to jail?  Nope.  It's the sites owner's fault for negligence.  Even though Apache defaults to making the web page public just like an AP might, even though the site owner has no idea what they're doing, it's still the owner's fault for not making any effort to limit access.

I never used an open access point.  I've never even owned a smartphone.  I'm about to get a wifi card for my desktop though to test my own wifi security and was hoping to also use it for open wifi networks.  Kind of bummed the last part is considered illegal.


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Yes I know people can read the manual but there are "baby boomers" and "Gen X" people that these manuals make no sense to.  With knowledge comes responsibility, so instead of doing something malicious help these people out.

That's the thing though, it's not a matter of tech savvy people taking advantage of those who aren't.  There are way more people who don't understand technology than geeks, so I'm sure there are more computer illiterate people breaking this law than geeks breaking it.  But yes I have thought about yesterday and today of notifying people who may of accidentally have setup open wifi...

You should do more then think about it, you should do it.
40  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 08:26:41 AM
Better you told him, then "someone else" comes by and steals vital information from him.  Note the name of the site "The Ethical Hacker Network", we are here because we want to do good not because we want to steal someones wireless or do malicious things.  
41  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: Wireless Network Security - Thesis on: December 09, 2011, 06:31:26 AM
I know I am a little late on this but instead of writing about:

"Wireless Network Security - Attacking and Covering  your tracks when doing this"

Why not do a paper on "Wireless Network Security - Attacks and signatures left behind by attackers"

This way you can still attack about how to attack the wireless network and the paper wont attract the wrong crowd and people wont ask you if its for illegal purposes.
42  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Re: When is using an open wifi network a crime? on: December 09, 2011, 06:24:11 AM

I understand the law, I just don't agree with it.  Smiley  Personally, I view the combination of absolutely no security on the AP, and the AP offering its services as being authorized.  Similar to being authorized to come in my house if I have the door wide open (no security) and invite you in when you walk by (SSID broadcasts).

I know the difference is technical and not everyone is going to understand how to configure an AP, but that's why they should read the manual, or listen to warnings they get when configuring or connecting to their AP.

So instead of trying to "steal" or borrow in your case, their network why don't you knock on there door and try to educate them.  Yes I know people can read the manual but there are "baby boomers" and "Gen X" people that these manuals make no sense to.  With knowledge comes responsibility, so instead of doing something malicious help these people out.
43  Resources / Tools / Re: Steganography Tools on: December 07, 2011, 02:05:39 PM
The programs intended for jpeg stegs do not work!
44  Resources / Tools / Re: Steganography Tools on: December 07, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
All the jpegs on that site don't work :-D.
45  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: Hakin9 Magazine subscribers on: December 06, 2011, 03:19:42 PM
Hakin9 and Pentest mag are from the same people.
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