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1246  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: [Article]-May 2010 Free Giveaway Sponsor - eLearnSecurity on: May 01, 2010, 10:08:29 PM
Wow! (not suprisingly) Another great giveaway!  Cheesy
1247  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Router and Firewall questions on: May 01, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Your only other options would be if you somehow accessed any configured remote management on the router, or found some sort of exploit for said router, that gave you the ability to reconfigure it, etc.  But otherwise, that'd be correct.
1248  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Router and Firewall questions on: May 01, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
OK, again, if your router ports aren't being forwarded through (as I'd mentioned in my previous response) you won't be able to 'see into the internal network, behind the router,' via an nmap scan or the like.  All you can do is work with ports that DO get through (aren't being filtered) or you're going to have to try to be manipulative and accomplish some sort of client-side exploit, via webpage / email / whatever, and gain reverse shell access to a machine that IS behind the firewall.

Basically, if NO ports and services are being allowed past the router / firewall, then there ARE no exploits that'll gain you access (which seems to be the direction you're WANTING to go,) further than the public interface of the router or firewall, unless you gain access via a client-side exploit.  You could TRY to firewalk past the firewall / router (manipulate packets' time-to-live to try to enumerate hosts behind it,) but if all of the ports are being filtered AT the router, than you won't get any further via that method, either.
1249  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Router and Firewall questions on: May 01, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Depends... if you're coming from the outside (public internet) to your internal network, then you'll need to find a port or service forwarded through the router, to an internal machine, to attack, or find some way to get access through a host on the inside.  Malicious email / website to push code down, or deceive user into running some shellcode or something with a reverse shell, etc.  ARP redirection will only be applicable on the same network / subnet, not to fully bypass a router from the outside, in.
1250  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Router and Firewall questions on: May 01, 2010, 09:23:50 AM
It depends on what the data is, that you sniff.  You can read the ascii text in packets, so if you happen to be sniffing, for example, traffic going to an html login page that isn't ssl encrypted, you might see plaintext passwords, and the like.  You might also see, as Ketchup noted, a relevant filename, xss vulnerabilities, or exploitable php script being accessed, etc.  Consequently, you might see other ports and services show up in the trace, that you weren't aware of, that are open on the server being queried, so you can then banner grab or research and target attacks that are relevant to the services running on those ports.  This is all a learning process, and there are often times, when I'm scanning in this fashion, that I spot new services and ports that I wasn't previously aware of (new stuff, yay!) and I can learn what those services are, and how to exploit them.

It's a process, but one worth learning, as, even if you DON'T pursue security, in the end, you will have a much better knowledge of what goes on within the network in question.
1251  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Router and Firewall questions on: April 30, 2010, 08:32:40 PM
In a rather generic nutshell -

ARP poisoning basically tricks devices on the network into associating an IP address from a valid host (or router) to another host or router, by propagating the secondary device's MAC address into the ARP tables.
1252  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / General Certification / Re: I passed the GCIH exam! on: April 30, 2010, 08:44:25 AM
Congrats!  Good luck with your studies moving forward.  I have the ECSA/LPT training materials, but haven't had full time to explore them.  (I've been busy with projects, family and study for other things.)  Hope you have continued success.
1253  Columns / Haddix / Re: [Article]-Review: eLearnSecurity’s Penetration Testing Pro (PTP) on: April 29, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
@hayabusa You can sign up for a demo of our course, that is an (almost) full module on SQL Injection including 20 minutes of video training.
Just enter your email on our home page and you will get a user and pass within 1 hour.

Wanted to say that the introductory price ($485)
will expire tomorrow April 30th at 12pm GMT. Regular price will be 449€ ($599)

We really gifted this course that is worth at least three times the current price, but yeah! We will respect our first goal to make great training affordable! Even after the great reviews we are getting


Thanks Armando.  Will register for the demo.  Appreciate the fact that your company is working to keep it real / affordable for everyone.  I won't be able to register for the class at this time (budgetary issues), and won't, until I'm done with PWB, so I'll miss out on this discount, but I appreciate the concern and mention of expiration date.   Grin
1254  Columns / Haddix / Re: [Article]-Review: eLearnSecurity’s Penetration Testing Pro (PTP) on: April 29, 2010, 10:08:44 AM
Hey Jason. 

Great review!  I'm pumped to look at this one now, too!  Question for you.  Dunno if you've done PWB yet, from Offensive...  If you HAVE, how does this compare to what muts and company have there?

Obviously, PWB is pretty intensive (I'm preparing to start taking v3, in a couple of weeks), and I know from reading, the eLearnSecurity stuff is all online (no downloadable courseware, etc - assumably to keep it from being distributed, etc)  But wondering, as a comparison, how the two stack up. 

Like I said, this looks promising, so I'll likely go for this, when I am done with PWB.  Just looking for a feel on it, so I can guage my time AFTER PWB, for what and how I want to be doing.

Thanks.

Tim
1255  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Symantec Buys PGP on: April 29, 2010, 09:55:14 AM
UNGH!  Oh well...  Hopefully they won't 'totally' screw up PGP...
1256  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: [Article]-March 2010 Free Giveaway Winners - Offensive Security on: April 28, 2010, 12:20:25 PM
Congrats to all!  Great job guys!  Let us know what you take, and how you fare.  Smiley
1257  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Physical Security / Re: IP-IRC Help? on: April 26, 2010, 04:03:05 PM
Ketchup beat me to it...  (today's been crazy busy!!!)

TOR or any other anonymous proxy would be where you'd want to start looking, to accomplish this.

Good luck.
1258  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Hacking Contest by OffSec on: April 23, 2010, 07:08:31 AM
Actually it's a quote by Abraham Lincoln.

OK, geek time for the scholars -

And, as Lincoln was quite the scholar, himself I personally think he spoke with reference to the Bible, specifically Ecclesiastes 10:9-10, where it says:

"Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby.  If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct."
1259  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: Long time lurker on: April 23, 2010, 06:57:25 AM
Welcome aboard!
1260  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / General Certification / Re: Finally taking Security+ April 20th *Update PASSED* on: April 21, 2010, 07:02:31 AM
Ditto! (Congrats!)
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