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46  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Web Applications / Re: porting as many tools as possible to web apps on: September 21, 2008, 09:33:06 AM
go look at the multitude of other sites that do what you are trying to do and figure out what people are using
47  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Penetrating Xp Sp3 on: September 19, 2008, 09:01:32 PM
i dont know of any remotes for SP3 but slap office 2003 on there and you have some vulnerabilities.
48  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Malware / Re: CTO Defends Researcher's Decision to Reveal SCADA Exploit on: September 19, 2008, 02:21:22 PM
so its the security community's fault that SCADA people have bad business practices therefore exploit code shouldnt  be released?

dumb...
49  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker / Re: Recertification Info on: September 18, 2008, 08:40:38 PM
what? recertifying doesn't restart your clock?  thats bullshit
50  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: Password reset beware on: September 17, 2008, 11:10:57 PM
I think that mutli-factor authentication is going to eventually be the key to this.  It will end up being a pain, but until we come up with something better than passwords, it will probably be better than what we have.  I know that paypal and some of the others already have one-time-password generator fobs which you can use along with your username and pin in order to login.  That still doesnt' solve the forgot my pin problem...

I agree that some sort of multifactor is the fix, at least for the short term.

 the problem is how do you pay for all those keyfobs, business have money to do that or have a vested interest is protecting its customers from harm especially when that harm usually means losing business so they may give them to their users.

free email services make money from advertising, i doubt yahoo will be handing out keyfobs and i doubt the majority of yahoo's free email service users will be shelling out the money for them either.  so what are we to do?

51  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: using backtrack as a daily use linux distro on: September 16, 2008, 04:46:55 PM
Quite possibly, but I didn't say they necessarily wanted to, some people just want/need to keep their systems as secure as they can. I kick a ball around the park in my spare time and have a great time, but I don't call myself a footballer...(with good reason as anyone seeing me play will agree with)

Is that level of knowledge and ability going to keep you safe and protected from the top guns? No, but if it can keep you protected from the script kiddies and automated attacks then you're head and shoulders above most targets.

Pre-built tools and live distros can help, regardless of what you choose to call yourself.

well its ok for people to have that attitude, it keeps those of us that know better gainfully employed.

52  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: using backtrack as a daily use linux distro on: September 16, 2008, 03:03:39 PM

The main point I do disagree on is that using pre-built tools doesn't teach anything. Admittedly it doesn't teach you much about linux (no compile and dependency hell as you mention) but it gives people the opportunity to learn the tools and the processes. Not everyone wants to become an uber hacker, some just need to have the tools available to do a certain aspect of their job.


then those people shouldnt call themselves or want to be pentesters

53  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: using backtrack as a daily use linux distro on: September 16, 2008, 07:29:34 AM
i disagree,

liveCDs are tools, not OS's and should not be treated as such.  You'll learn faster building your own distro (in vmware if you wish) and working through the problems of installation (there really arent any anymore). You can be up and going in less than an hour.  In my life i have blown away more distros than i can count trying to install something with no documentation but i learned from it.  Just booting into a liveCD...its good to show someone "this is linux" to recommend they use that unless there is some extreme reason is not a good way to teach people what they need to know.

I guess if someone has never ever never seen or used linux then ANY liveCD would be ok to familiarize themselves.

as far as using security tools on BT first, having a ton of tools prebuilt for you teaches you nothing about:
1. installing and configuring those tools
2. why you even need those tools

There is something about the act of installing a tool yourself that forces you to think about why you are installing this and what are you going to use it for (especially if you have to go through dependency hell).  that helps more with understanding the methodology than just having that stuff installed for you.

your core tools that a "new person" will need will easily install from source or package management system.  As far as "have confidence that your tools are functioning correctly" if I install them myself i have confidence they work correctly.

Having someone or some distro do everything for you from the beginning does not set people up for success in working through problems on their own later...which is really what security is all about anyway.

if you need more proof then check out the remote-exploit forums yourself and look at the amount of basic linux questions that are in there, questions that shouldnt be there if people had the prerequisite knowledges that BT states you need before using their liveCD which is a good understanding of linux.





54  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: using backtrack as a daily use linux distro on: September 15, 2008, 10:28:59 PM
<insert learn linux before F*ing around with BT rant here>
55  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Vmware, or Practicing Pentesting on: September 15, 2008, 10:22:25 PM
both...all...whatever

linux to linux, linux to windows, windows to linux, windows to windos...etc
56  Resources / Tutorials / Re: How to bypass Chillispot login? on: September 10, 2008, 09:31:31 AM
is the restriction based on just username or MAC? 

sounds like the simple answer is get yourself another username/password
57  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: Information Security Superstars - Cert advice on: September 10, 2008, 01:13:51 AM
i wasn't trying to be a jerk or start a cert war.  I just personally feel that if you are going to give advice you should either have experience in what you are giving advice on or other experience to make your advice valid (everyone can have an opinion regardless of experience).

I think silxp has since dropped enough information that we can google him and get a feel for his background which to me was wasnt apparent with the initial post in this thread.

you'll have to pardon my pessimism because we've had people talking out their ass on this forum before (not the case this time) and most people dont seem to have any balls to call people out.
58  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I want your advice : SSCP or CISM on: September 08, 2008, 11:50:14 PM
If you're looking for resume fodder the CISSP/CISM will do that but neither will prepare you to provide strategic leadership to an IT shop.  Unless you fall into something (luck), Certs aren't going to compare to years of experience.
can you follow that up with some advice to the original poster?
59  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I want your advice : SSCP or CISM on: September 07, 2008, 10:47:41 PM
the advice of figuring out what you want to do first is good, but if you have an idea what industry you want to work in that will help too.

for example, if you want to do any kind of IA work for DoD you need your CISSP, that's just the requirement. 

as far as the CISM, if you dont meet the requirements you can still take the test.  You'll have to check out the ISACA page for details but you can be granted your certification and get your remaining years of experience afterwards.
60  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: Information Security Superstars - Cert advice on: September 07, 2008, 10:33:27 PM
that's some strong opinions about certifications you dont hold.

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