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31  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: What's Next After Linux + on: November 12, 2008, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: cleanwithit0607
Which one should I go for?

Are you talking about doing one between now and the time you take your Linux+ or are you trying to figure out what you're going to do afterwards?

Quote from: cleanwithit0607
I don't have any experience for the CEH, but I have heard you can have the requirement waived for education, Is this true?

Thanks for the help.

I don't think so, but you can always fill out the application form from here, submit it and see if they'll approve you to take the exam.

BillV
32  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 10, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
It looks like it only defaults to standard HTTP if you go to the portal using standard HTTP and do not login.

If you login to the portal, you're redirected to HTTPS and this also changes the ECE link to HTTPS.

I'll see if we can make the default ECE site redirect to HTTPS automatically.
33  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 10, 2008, 03:16:35 PM
Does it not work for you?

https://portal.eccouncil.org/delta
34  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: Career in Cyber Security on: November 10, 2008, 11:58:34 AM
Looks like there are a couple available
35  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 08, 2008, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: tntcoda
The only addition I would like to see on the delta system is exact dates a cert expires and needs renewing, as far as i can see this isn't listed at all.

You're right, it's not really tied into a specific individual's certifications. I will definitely bring this up. One problem I can see coming from this, is the organization in membership IDs. I know that I have different IDs assigned to me for each certification. It would probably be a pretty big task for them to get that straightened up (but it should have been done correctly in the first place Tongue)

Quote from: tntcoda
Also, Is there a limit on how many books or podcasts you can use to build up credits?

I am currently doing a computer science degree full time, so it limits my options for building up credits a bit. Im not sure this counts as higher education, as it isn't directly security related?

There is no limit on podcasts (that I'm aware of) but I believe the "reading a book" option is limited to 1/year. I'd honestly be surprised if that one is kept as a valid way to earn points (it should be, but there's no way to verify).

As for the higher education, I would submit anyway and see if it's accepted. It may not be directly related to security, but I would think that as long as the class is within the realm of IT you should be ok as it's still furthering your knowledge.

BillV
36  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 08, 2008, 10:22:19 AM
Also, one thing I've always thought would be nice is a discount on updated exams/courseware for members who have already achieved certification. Any thoughts on that?

BillV
37  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 08, 2008, 10:15:48 AM
Quote from: Data_Raid
Bill,

I think as a start it would be good to see that the ECE points/requirements are reset if the credential holder re-certifies or at least increase the points earned for retaking the exam

This is definitely in my notes of something to bring up with the committee. It's something I've been a bit confused on myself since the start of the ECE system, but as I said in the thread you referenced, it's a difficult situation. If you have any specific suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them.

Quote from: Data_Raid
I like the idea of not having to pay any annual fees to maintain certification, I hope that this will never change.

Overall, I think it's relatively easy to achieve the minimum ECE credits

Yup, agreed Smiley

Thanks for the comments.

BillV
38  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: EC-Council ECE System on: November 08, 2008, 10:10:12 AM
how bout a link to the current requirements.

i'm being lazy and not searching...but since you brought it up....

Ha! Yeah, I should have added that.. whoops.

Adding to the link that Data_Raid posted, here's the link to the FAQ: http://portal.eccouncil.org/delta/faq.htm

You basically have 3 years to earn 120 points, earning at least 20 in a given year.

Here's a list of how you can currently earn points:

Quote
Education Course (1 Day)-7 credits
Education Course (2 Day)-14 credits
Education Course (5 Day)-35 credits
Higher Education (1 quarter hour)-15 credits
Higher Education (2 quarter hours)-30 credits
Higher Education (3 quarter hours)-45 credits
Higher Education (1 semester hour)-10 credits
Higher Education (2 semester hour)-20 credits
Higher Education (3 semester hour)-30 credits
Examination (1 hr length)-1 credits
Examination (2 hr length)-2 credits
Examination (5 hr length)-5 credits
Examination (EC-Council Exams Effective January 2008)-120 credits
Education Sem/Conf/Evt (< half day)-2 credits
Education Sem/Conf/Evt (half-day)-4 credits
Education Sem/Conf/Evt (1 Day)-7 credits
Education Sem/Conf/Evt (2 Day)-14 credits
Education Sem/Conf/Evt (5 Day)-35 credits
Speak (1 hr presentation)-3 credits
Speak (2 hr presentation)-6 credits
Teach  New (1 Day)-21 credits
Teach New  (2 Day)-42 credits
Teach New  (5 Day)-105 credits
Teach Upgrade (1 Day)-11 credits
Teach Upgrade (2 Day)-21 credits
Teach Upgrade (5 Day)-53 credits
Author article/chapter (per item)-10 credits
Author book (per book)-40 credits
Assn/Org Mbrship (per Assn/Org)-2 credits
Assn/Org Ch Mbrship (per Chapter)-3 credits
Assn/Org/Ch Mtg: (per mtg)-3 credits
Addtl:  Read IS-related book (per bk)-5 credits
Addtl: Book Review (per book)-5 credits
Addtl: Case Study (per study)-5 credits
Addtl: White Paper (per paper)-5 credits
Examination (EC-Council Exams up to December 2007)- 40 Credits
Podcasts - 2 Credits
39  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Project about ethical hacking? on: November 08, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
I would imagine how those topics listed relate to a job in 'ethical hacking' Tongue
40  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Obama, McCain Campaigns' Computers Hacked for Policy Data on: November 08, 2008, 09:59:41 AM
Yeah, hasn't been a whole lot of info about it... must have been something pretty important for them all to keep quiet.
41  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: Career in Cyber Security on: November 07, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Hmm, I thought I replied to this already but maybe I forgot to 'post'?

Anyway, you might want to check out http://www.usajobs.gov (assuming you're in the US) and search for 'INFOSEC' positions.

That should get you started in the right direction.

BillV
42  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Wireless / Researchers Crack WPA on: November 07, 2008, 01:18:57 PM
Any thoughts on the recent developments regarding WPA cracking?

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2230071/researchers-crack-wpa

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2133

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9119258&intsrc=hm_list

BillV
43  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / EC-Council ECE System on: November 07, 2008, 09:54:10 AM
Greetings everyone,

As a member of the EC-Council Scheme Committee, I'm looking for input from those that have earned any of the EC-Council certifications that require ECE credits to maintain (ENSA, CEH, CHFI, ECSA, LPT, ECVP, ECSP, CNDA, ECDR).

What are your feelings on the system? Is it fair? Are there enough ways to earn credits to maintain your certification(s)?

I am open to any and all suggestions, comments, criticism and anything else you may want to address on the subject. If it's something I can answer, I'll try my best to do so and if there are strong feelings about certain topics I will take them back to the other committee members so that we may address the concerns.

I know this subject has been discussed here in the past. Now that the ECE system has been around for a while, I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on it so that we can make it better.

Thanks for your help.

BillV
44  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: IP Address Block Enumeration on: November 06, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
I guess I'm a bit confused on what you're looking for. Are you looking for owners of IP blocks? A simple whois command/lookup won't work?
45  EH-Net / ChicagoCon 2008f / Re: How was ChicagoCon? on: November 06, 2008, 01:04:48 PM
Sorry to hear about the bootcamps, Don. Undecided Hopefully the spring will be better.

Glad to hear that the conference attendance levels grew. That's excellent!

I am definitely planning to attend the spring conference next year and looking forward to it! I've talked to a couple people that expressed a pretty good amount of interest in attending in the spring as well. I'll see if I can bring a couple other people with me as well Smiley

Thanks for the update.

Bill
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