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1  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker / Re: CEH Cert on: Yesterday at 10:29:23 AM
i've heard that getting your approval for this is quite hard. it takes forever and they will turn your past inside out, so i've heard.

I've not heard that before. And there have actually been several people to come through here and say they've been approved to take the exam by just filling out the application and providing the information. I don't think there's much more background checking involved.
2  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / CEH - Certified Ethical Hacker / Re: CEH Cert on: March 10, 2010, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: JDLB
Hi guys i am new to the forum. I have been thinking of taking the CEH Certification. I have a bunch of question. I hope you guys can help me out. I don't seem to get the answers from the EC Council's website.

Welcome Smiley And sorry to hear you didn't find the answers you were looking for. You've certainly ended up in the right place though Wink

Do you have any pros and cons between online and self-study?
The first thing to consider would be how like to learn. If you need an instructor to explain things to you and answer questions, then obviously some form of class may be the way for you. If you like going at your own pace, and can do the research (i.e., find forums like this to ask questions in) then self-study is a good option. Personally, I've always preferred self-study options as they're usually less expensive and I enjoy going at my own pace, on my schedule.

Is it better to pass the 5 day bootcamp?
Similar to what I stated above. As others have mentioned, being in a class is great to meet other people and other students may ask questions that you wouldn't have thought of. Depending on your security-related experience, a class may be a better route as it'll provide a good foundation for pursuing more advanced certifications.

About the pre-requisite, anyone been through that process? I don't have the 2 years working on security but i do have a AS degree in IT.
As stated,  you can fill out an application and ask for a waiver to take the course/site for the exam. Your degree will definitely be helpful - but how much it helps depends on what types of courses you took and how many actual computer classes you had (as opposed to the general ed stuff). At the very least, it should help with your foundation of networking and such - along with your CCNA/MCP.

Are the book's prices separate from the training price?
You can purchase the courseware directly from EC-Council or a local distributor for self-study. If you sign-up for a course, the books are almost always included in the course fees

One last question for now. Have you been able to get a job with your certification, it's a dumb question but i am just going to go ahead and ask it.
I had my first IT job when I earned my CEH originally and I had other certifications/experience by the time I got my next position. While at my first position, it certainly showed my boss and the people I worked with that I had a strong interest in security. I was given security-related tasks and invited to participate in other security discussions. It certainly gave me an opportunity to continue down the security path.


Again, welcome to EH-Net and please ask any other questions you may have.

BillV
3  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / Re: safe and secure poker? on: March 10, 2010, 01:01:37 PM
Yeah, I've seen the PokerStars site.. figured that's probably where I'd end up but wanted to see what other input I could get. Thanks!
4  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Other / safe and secure poker? on: March 10, 2010, 11:39:29 AM
So, this isn't fully related to computers/security, but I figured it's close enough to ask Tongue

I'm looking around for an online poker site to play with a few bucks here and there. The paranoid side of me doesn't want to trust any of them though. I'm wondering if anyone here plays, knows someone who does or can otherwise recommend a safe and secure site?
5  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: New Member on: March 09, 2010, 12:39:02 PM
Nope, Sad   They teach web design(html), adv web design(css, html), programming(java, vb.net), and thats all. everything i learned was from videos, forums, podcasts. our school security is very weak, since its my last year i have to do a project, so i will present all their problems, to help them.

I agree with what hayabusa said in regards to those courses. And, that's far more than what was available in my high school. All we had was 'advanced computer technology' where we played some games, created custom levels using the editors that came with the game and used other random applications ...nothing really useful at all Sad It would have been great to take a HTML/CSS or VB.net class in high school.
6  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: New Member on: March 09, 2010, 05:58:46 AM
Welcome to EH-Net Smiley

Out of curiosity, where are you from? Does your high school offer any [advanced] computer courses or are you on your own?
7  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: Offensive security lab setup on: March 09, 2010, 05:55:46 AM

Thank you.

LT72884 - I think you have, or been given, enough information to do what you need to do. None of us that have taken the OSCP course or hold the certification are going to provide you with the details you're asking for. There are plenty of threads here about setting up a virtual lab, I'd suggest reading them.
8  Resources / News from the Outside World / Re: Sad story about what happens when you don't hire a pro.. on: March 09, 2010, 05:43:54 AM
No, I don't think they were hosting their website at home. It looks like it is/was hosted with a web hosting company. They claimed that whoever was behind the adware also got into their personal computers somehow...
9  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: A cautionary tale for Penetration testers on live networks on: March 07, 2010, 07:36:35 AM
Bill, I love the idea you shared about the outlandish ideas.  I'll be sure to use this both in consulting and at my normal job.  My boss routinely ok's things that I'm positive he doesn't comprehend (and as a result doesn't read).  A reality check might force a positive change.

Yeah, absolutely. Not only gets them to actually read stuff but also getting them thinking about the dangers that are really out there. The "bad guys" don't have any rules to play by.
10  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: A cautionary tale for Penetration testers on live networks on: March 06, 2010, 08:18:22 AM
Wow, good story. Definitely a great heads up for everyone.

It reminds me of something an instructor had said in one of my courses about including some "out there" items in the documentation of what tests to conduct (e.g., following employees home, kidnapping, etc.) just to see if the person signing off on it actually reads it or just checks all tests and signs off. Then of course call said person up, ask whether they read through the paperwork and whether they really wanted to allow employees to be kidnapped. Crazy, sure, but certainly realistic if the information is important to someone.
11  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Re: silly question: Where does it all go? on: March 06, 2010, 08:02:22 AM
Or you could always download the Internet Wink
12  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / GPEN - GIAC Certified Penetration Tester / Re: Passed GPEN - thoughts on: March 05, 2010, 01:49:01 PM
Congrats and nice write-up. I completely agree with your thoughts on the exam.
13  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Forensics / Re: Need to determine the computer a user account is coming from on: March 04, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
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14  EH-Net / News Items and General Discussion About EH-Net / Re: [Article]-Feb 2010 Free Giveaway Winners - Syngress Publishing on: March 04, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
Very cool! Congrats Smiley
15  Resources / Career Central / Re: Degree or Certs/Experience? on: March 03, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
BillV

Did you run through the WGU at all? I'm looking at it and wondering if it'd be worth it. It's hard to do undergrad while working full time. I'd love to go back and either finish my BS CompEng or do something else (Information Assurance?).

Looked at WGU, and not sure if I want to play the get a degree based on the certs I have route.

I've gone so far as talking with an admissions person there and came pretty close to enrolling but decided not to (financial reasons at the time).

I've since decided that it'd be cheaper/easier to go to a community college and knock out the first 2 years and then transfer over to WGU. I liked what I heard from the counselor and the thing that gets my interest the most is that it's competency-based instead of credit based. Something that allows me to work at my own pace and fly through as much as possible, as fast as possible, is definitely a plus in my book. The fact that certifications can earn you additional credit is a bonus.

I would think it all depends on how you prefer to learn though. If you're very independent and enjoy the self-study route then I'm sure it'd probably be a good match.
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