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16  Features / Book Reviews / Re: Hacking Exposed, 5th Edition on: November 17, 2008, 09:08:19 AM
Gosh. I'm 60 pages into this book, and I must say this book is boring. I guess I got spoiled by Ed in Counter Hack Reloaded, but this book is dry, and not organized very well. I don't think I can read this book.

Are there some good chapters in this book I should respect and read?
17  Features / Book Reviews / Re: [Article]-Skoudis - Counter Hack Reloaded: Chapter 7 on: November 17, 2008, 09:04:41 AM
We use Counter Hack text at the college I teach for the intro class.  It's a good book.  I even like the follow up "Reloaded."  I picked up the Malware book too and that is also on my recommended reading list for my students.

I just finished it, and I want to read it again, this time taking notes. Thankyou Thomas for your opinion about the malware book, I just ordered it Tongue Thanks.
18  Features / Book Reviews / Re: [Article]-Skoudis - Counter Hack Reloaded: Chapter 7 on: November 15, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
It certainly won't hurt you to read it. Hell, read anything that will hold still long enough.

Yea. This book is really holding my attention. I just started chapter 9. i just didn't know if reading Hackers Exposed would be a little redundant. I will go through it after this I guess.
19  Features / Book Reviews / Re: [Article]-Skoudis - Counter Hack Reloaded: Chapter 7 on: November 15, 2008, 05:20:37 AM
This book is absolutely awesome. I just got done reading Chapter 7, and WOW! I'm hooked, I can't seem to put this book down. I love the layout of this book it's comprehensive, and very easy to read. Ed has a very good since of humor, and writes things in a way that just sticks.

I bought Hackers Exposed, and Counter Hack Reloaded at the same time. I'm pondering whether or not to read Hackers Exposed. Any advice on that?
20  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: What's Next After Linux + on: November 13, 2008, 03:49:42 AM
cleanwithit0607,

I'm currently working my way through the OSCP course, it is an excellent course from a learning perspective but as Pseud0 states it isn't aswell known as the CEH.

I haven't taken either CEH training or certification yet, however I have seen the CEH material from a colleague who has taken the course and exam and at first site I can see plenty common crossovers between the two in terms of topics. It seems to be training and testing methods that really separate the two certs.

I'd imagine (and hope to prove in the near future) that taking either cert so give you a good foundation to quickly achieve the other aswell (again I haven't sat the CEH so don't take this as gospel, hopefully someone who has each can confirm or deny this).

Good luck whichever way you go.

Thanks, RoleReversal. Yea, I think I may send in this eligibility form to EC-Council. Then if I don't get approved, I will take the OSCP. I plan on taking both, just so I don't get burned by having one or the other; When I get the required experience. The thing I just realized about the CPTS is that their isn't any study material, but I have heard the OSCP got people ready for the CPTS. So I guess, OSCP, CPTS, then CEH.
21  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: What's Next After Linux + on: November 12, 2008, 07:37:06 AM
Quote from: cleanwithit0607
Which one should I go for?

Are you talking about doing one between now and the time you take your Linux+ or are you trying to figure out what you're going to do afterwards?

Quote from: cleanwithit0607
I don't have any experience for the CEH, but I have heard you can have the requirement waived for education, Is this true?

Thanks for the help.

I don't think so, but you can always fill out the application form from here, submit it and see if they'll approve you to take the exam.

BillV

Yes, I want to know which one I should do afterwards. I wish I could do one before, but that would be overkill.

Thanks, I will do. Maybe with the economy the way it is, perhaps I will get lucky, and get the requirement waived Tongue

But If I don't get approved, then which certification should I study for next?
22  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / What's Next After Linux + on: November 12, 2008, 07:01:17 AM
Alright guys. I'm scheduled to take my Linux + in two months. I need to figure out what I should study for next. Here are my choices:

-CEH
-CPTS
-OSCP

Which one should I go for?

I don't have any experience for the CEH, but I have heard you can have the requirement waived for education, Is this true?

Thanks for the help.
23  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: October 22, 2008, 02:55:15 PM
Well guys, just a little update for everybody.

I passed my Network + with a 750. I'm scheduled to take my Linux + in two months. Then after this I'm going to either do the OSCP, or the CEH.
24  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: So you want to learn hacking? on: August 03, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
Dang, Kev. Thanks for making this post. I had never heard of De-Ice.net. This should help me alot before I take the OSCP. I trust anything you say Kev.   Grin
25  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Re: Steps for The Ethical Hacker to learn programming on: July 26, 2008, 08:35:20 AM
Try this EH Thread (dive into python)

Read the rest of the programming board threads for some great resources.

And remember, the search box and google are your friend......

Thanks man. Yea, I always use google and the search function. I just ask so I can get more opinions. By the way, How's the OSCP course going?
26  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Re: Steps for The Ethical Hacker to learn programming on: July 26, 2008, 06:05:15 AM
I am a big believer that the Ethical Hacker should know at least some basic programming. The first place to start is with basic Bash scripts. They are so easy and you get results right away. Then go onto to some basic HTML.  Then either Python or Perl and eventually to C. C is the ultimate goal and it is without question the traditional code of the hacker.  Why not just start with C?  You could and some do, but I have seen too many people get stuck because C can be a little obscure for those new to programming.

Python or Perl are good languages to grasp before taking on C. Even when you are well versed in C there are many times you would rather write a quick script in these languages rather than C.  The natural question is, if you had to choose one over the other, Perl or Python, which one would be the better choice?  For me, Python is really the way to go.  I feel its easier to learn, has more readable code , integrates into java better and can port a little easier because it doesn’t lean has heavily to Unix as Perl. I also feel Python makes the jump to learning C more natural than from Perl.
 
I wote this in the opinion area because that is what it is, my opinion. I would be curious if others diifer from this progression .


Talk about bringing a thread back from the dead. I like the way you created a roadmap; or path to what a ethical hacker needs as far as programming goes. I never really thought about learning a language, until I started reading about exploits. I will def. keep this thread on my favorites list, so I can stay on track. I already know HTML, I used to code a clan website I had back in the days of, Medal of Honor Allied Assault. But anyways, I guess I will start with Bash Scripting, then onto Python.

Does anybody know of a book, or website that's reputable that can help me learn Bash, and or Python?
27  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional / Re: Starting OffSec101 on: July 11, 2008, 03:41:01 AM
Hi All,

I've just signed up for the OffSec101 course starting 13th July. At the moment I'm bouncing around like a kiddy at christmas waiting for it to start Cheesy


Damn Role Reversal, You beat me to it.

I wish I had the cash to drop for this course. I think I'm going to go ahead and do the Wifu, before I do the 101 course. Well let us know how it goes, and, Good Luck!
28  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 07, 2008, 09:59:01 AM
Wow, it looks like everyone is using my thread as a chatroom lol. Just a little update for everybody. I just passed my A+ 602 certification with a 780. Soon as I got home I cracked open my Net + book, these certs are addicting. I also ordered Counter hack reloaded, and hacking for dummies. I had a question that I wanted to ask but it kinda slipped my mind. Will post later.


Sorry, I haven't  been able to reply to some of your post, I have been busy studying, school, girlfriend and all of that good stuff. But thankyou, It's nice to know how others got started, and how successful your path(s) were, it just motivates me to find my path so I can achieve my goals and be successful. You guys are really helpful. This really is a great community. I give credit to Don for that, and active members.
29  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
Tongue Part of the reason I have a library of 1/3rd of the way read books.. is that I'm working full time as a network/security guy.  Thank God they pay for most the books I get, since it's 'work related' haha. Wink  Also going to school fulltime to get more school based experience.. besides my on the job experience.  You're right experience is #1, but having certs = more $. 

Hey g00d_4sh, How did you get your start in security? Did you have Certifications before you got the job?
30  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 06:30:54 PM
Here is a better piece of advice than going and obtaining n^n-1 amount of certifications. GET EXPERIENCE!

That's right get a job, Ask most people in a management position what they are looking for and it's experience. Your degree will carry you, and SECURITY+ is kind of IMHO a useless certification. 100 question, 13 minutes to take the exam and it tests your ability to memorize a security dictionary.

Experience will carry you much further than the certifications. However, if you want to play in the DOD arena you will need certain certifications. but the best advice is to get in and get experience under your belt.

That's what I'm trying to do. But here's the thing, at UPS they want you to have certain certifications to atleast be given the oppurtunity to get experience. I wish I could leave UPS and get a security job, but they pay my tuition, and they pay me to go to school(bonus $$). You have a good point that I should get experience, but some places just want paper certs to show you're motivated,and can learn.
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