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1  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Network Pen Testing / Re: So you want to learn hacking? on: August 03, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
Dang, Kev. Thanks for making this post. I had never heard of De-Ice.net. This should help me alot before I take the OSCP. I trust anything you say Kev.   Grin
2  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Re: Steps for The Ethical Hacker to learn programming on: July 26, 2008, 08:35:20 AM
Try this EH Thread (dive into python)

Read the rest of the programming board threads for some great resources.

And remember, the search box and google are your friend......

Thanks man. Yea, I always use google and the search function. I just ask so I can get more opinions. By the way, How's the OSCP course going?
3  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Programming / Re: Steps for The Ethical Hacker to learn programming on: July 26, 2008, 06:05:15 AM
I am a big believer that the Ethical Hacker should know at least some basic programming. The first place to start is with basic Bash scripts. They are so easy and you get results right away. Then go onto to some basic HTML.  Then either Python or Perl and eventually to C. C is the ultimate goal and it is without question the traditional code of the hacker.  Why not just start with C?  You could and some do, but I have seen too many people get stuck because C can be a little obscure for those new to programming.

Python or Perl are good languages to grasp before taking on C. Even when you are well versed in C there are many times you would rather write a quick script in these languages rather than C.  The natural question is, if you had to choose one over the other, Perl or Python, which one would be the better choice?  For me, Python is really the way to go.  I feel its easier to learn, has more readable code , integrates into java better and can port a little easier because it doesn’t lean has heavily to Unix as Perl. I also feel Python makes the jump to learning C more natural than from Perl.
 
I wote this in the opinion area because that is what it is, my opinion. I would be curious if others diifer from this progression .


Talk about bringing a thread back from the dead. I like the way you created a roadmap; or path to what a ethical hacker needs as far as programming goes. I never really thought about learning a language, until I started reading about exploits. I will def. keep this thread on my favorites list, so I can stay on track. I already know HTML, I used to code a clan website I had back in the days of, Medal of Honor Allied Assault. But anyways, I guess I will start with Bash Scripting, then onto Python.

Does anybody know of a book, or website that's reputable that can help me learn Bash, and or Python?
4  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / OSCP - Offensive Security Certified Professional / Re: Starting OffSec101 on: July 11, 2008, 03:41:01 AM
Hi All,

I've just signed up for the OffSec101 course starting 13th July. At the moment I'm bouncing around like a kiddy at christmas waiting for it to start Cheesy


Damn Role Reversal, You beat me to it.

I wish I had the cash to drop for this course. I think I'm going to go ahead and do the Wifu, before I do the 101 course. Well let us know how it goes, and, Good Luck!
5  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 07, 2008, 09:59:01 AM
Wow, it looks like everyone is using my thread as a chatroom lol. Just a little update for everybody. I just passed my A+ 602 certification with a 780. Soon as I got home I cracked open my Net + book, these certs are addicting. I also ordered Counter hack reloaded, and hacking for dummies. I had a question that I wanted to ask but it kinda slipped my mind. Will post later.


Sorry, I haven't  been able to reply to some of your post, I have been busy studying, school, girlfriend and all of that good stuff. But thankyou, It's nice to know how others got started, and how successful your path(s) were, it just motivates me to find my path so I can achieve my goals and be successful. You guys are really helpful. This really is a great community. I give credit to Don for that, and active members.
6  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
Tongue Part of the reason I have a library of 1/3rd of the way read books.. is that I'm working full time as a network/security guy.  Thank God they pay for most the books I get, since it's 'work related' haha. Wink  Also going to school fulltime to get more school based experience.. besides my on the job experience.  You're right experience is #1, but having certs = more $. 

Hey g00d_4sh, How did you get your start in security? Did you have Certifications before you got the job?
7  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 06:30:54 PM
Here is a better piece of advice than going and obtaining n^n-1 amount of certifications. GET EXPERIENCE!

That's right get a job, Ask most people in a management position what they are looking for and it's experience. Your degree will carry you, and SECURITY+ is kind of IMHO a useless certification. 100 question, 13 minutes to take the exam and it tests your ability to memorize a security dictionary.

Experience will carry you much further than the certifications. However, if you want to play in the DOD arena you will need certain certifications. but the best advice is to get in and get experience under your belt.

That's what I'm trying to do. But here's the thing, at UPS they want you to have certain certifications to atleast be given the oppurtunity to get experience. I wish I could leave UPS and get a security job, but they pay my tuition, and they pay me to go to school(bonus $$). You have a good point that I should get experience, but some places just want paper certs to show you're motivated,and can learn.
8  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 05:19:06 PM
I already have too many books on my shelf.. that I'm about 1/3rd of the way through. Tongue  I'll look into it when I'm done with those, good to know of another good resource though.

Yea, I hope to get to that point. I just need a good supplement to my studies, while I'm at work I get quite bored.
lolz.

But yea, I read the description of Counter Hack Reloaded, and it seemed really good.
9  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 05, 2008, 05:03:06 PM
Counter Hack Reloaded is an excellent resource. It was used as the text book for my first network security class. I took it with me to my first cyber defense competition and referenced it regularly.

Thank ohtechwiz, I will order it on Amazon tonight when I get home. I appreciate your response. Smiley
10  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 04, 2008, 08:31:11 PM
Hey cleanwithit0607,

You're right. It is not security related per se, but it is good stuff to share. Sounds like a good new thread, too.

Don

Thanks Don. I will keep updating Smiley
11  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 04, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Heh, my thumbdrive with BackTrack3 and tools... actually is with me almost as often as my wallet and keys and cell phone.  Actually.. it may be with me more often, since i carry it around at work when I have those in my desk.  Tongue  Thumbdrives are just so fun.

Same here, I love my flash drive.

A bit off topic, has anyone read the book, "Counter Hack Reloaded"? If so do you recommend it? Any other book recommendations would be nice too.
12  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: June 03, 2008, 03:20:16 AM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with security, but I passed my A+ Essentials today with a 740, and I take the IT technician exam thursday-(wish me luck), then after that I take Network +. I took both Net + and A+ in highschool, and me being stupid never took the certifications, networking is my strong suit, so I might try to test out before the quarter starts. I'm still trying to roll some quarters for the OSCP.

P.S, don't ever study for two certifications at one time.
13  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: May 28, 2008, 08:46:24 AM
Congrats!  Grin and thanks for the update.

Thanks. No problem sir, and there will be more in the future as I progress with my studies. So OSCP it is! Does anybody have any good feedback about this course?
14  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: May 28, 2008, 08:09:40 AM
Congrats on the pass!  Yes, go for the OSCP until you get the required experience for the C|EH exam.  Good luck!

Thanks Dengar13,

It makes sense to go ahead for the OSCP because I've been messing around with Backtrack 3 -(I recommend this distro to anybody, it's awesome), and I have learned how to crack WEP, WPA(2), and router passwords. There are plenty of tutorials on how to do this.

Side note: If you're interested, to save the trouble, install Backtrack to a USB thumbdrive, or a USB Harddrive. Windows and linux/Slackware, were just not meant to be on the same drive.

Oh yea, remember use your own network or ask for permission first.

http://irongeek.com/i.php?page=computerlaws/state-hacking-laws
15  Ethical Hacking Discussions and Related Certifications / Certification / Re: I need some opinions. on: May 28, 2008, 07:13:00 AM
**Update** I passed my Security +. Now, I don't have any experience in the security field for the CEH. Can I bypass the two year requirement or should I just opt for the OSCP?
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